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the oldest and strongest human emotion

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is fear

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and the oldest and strongest type of

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fear

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is trepidation of the unknown

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when we were children our parents told

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us that monsters didn't exist

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but we were sure that something was

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lurking under the bed or in the closet

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fear sees even if our eyes are closed

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welcome to the realm of the arcane

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my name is lon strickler

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join me as i examine unexplained

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creatures

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strange manifestations of remarkable

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realities

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imagine this next hour as a voyage of

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discovery to strange lands

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seeking not for new territory

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but for new knowledge of the

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supernatural

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come on board as we begin this adventure

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together

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hey folks good evening and welcome to

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another episode of arcane radio where we

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explore the unexplained live on beyond

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explanation i'm your host lon strickler

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coming to you within a cannon shout out

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to the howled fields of gettysburg

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pennsylvania thanks for joining me now

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needed and appreciated so tonight

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something a little bit different um you

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know these the kind of shows i guess we

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all live for where we actually have

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gotten involved with something

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and we're surprised by something that

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we're

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investigating so tonight i've got uh

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tobias whalen and i've got

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emmanuel navarette with us

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and i'm first i'm going to have them

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introduce themselves so manuel you want

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to tell the folks who you are and how

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you got involved in all this yep my name

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is manuel navarette i am the creator of

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ufo clearinghouse uh

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at ufo clearinghouse.com uh we are a

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research um database kind of

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clearinghouse for

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ufo sightings uh any abduction reports

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cryptid sightings

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um i've been doing this since about

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2012 or so not a little bit more

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um i'm also a member of the 40 uh

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phantom

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monsters reporting research team

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and um i've been with the team for a

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little work i think three years now two

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or three years

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um

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and i'm also an active investigator for

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the uh chicago phantom chicago wing

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humanoid sightings um i do live in

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chicago so

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pretty much hometown boy right here so

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i can be on the ground you know pretty

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quick when it comes to my uh sightings

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i've

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been out there for at the airport

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that's about it really i've been in this

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for a while um

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ufos cryptids paranormal has fascinated

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me since i was basically a child

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and um kind of grew up into something

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that i never really lost interest in

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um

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that's about it yeah

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okay well tobias how about telling

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everybody about yourself as well

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sure uh so my name is tobias weyland and

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i'm the head writer and editor for the

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singular floridian society and so a

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little bit about the singular foreign

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society is that is

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in investigatory and journalistic

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organization that my wife emily and i

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started back in 2016

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and so um what we like to do is

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basically what's in the

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name of that we are a foreign society

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and that is to say that

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we uh

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align in in certain ways with the uh the

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work of charles ford who's an early 20th

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century collector of uh of weird news

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stories and so he write about these news

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stories

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and uh he would speculate about them

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often tongue-in-cheek and he would uh

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notice commonalities and and sort of

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point those out and it's that kind of

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holistic approach to these subjects that

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so we don't really concentrate on on any

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one uh you know aspect of paranormal

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phenomena in particular we we really do

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do it all

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and uh and and that's basically our uh

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our philosophy if if you will as in an

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organization and so

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um it was only natural when we started

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seeing uh winged humanoid reports uh you

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know coming in from just a couple hours

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south of us and then really spreading

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into our area as well um that we were

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curious and we picked up the story

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after that that of course we were

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introduced to manuel and lon and uh

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you know we've been uh collaborating on

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excellent so i tell you yeah we have

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been together since it all began back in

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2017 and in fact

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manuel and i actually have been together

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since the 2011 sightings um

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so we've kind of you know this kind of

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old hat for us but

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let me go uh let me go ahead and start

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getting into the nitty-gritty of this

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whole thing uh and i'm not gonna bore

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everybody with all the details but

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quite frankly um you know back in 2017

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when all this started you know and that

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what you people may or may not know

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tobias and manuel are probably

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the two original

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uh into in memory the three original

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individuals have been involved with this

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investigation

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we've had others come and go and um

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god rest her soul she's no longer with

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us um

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rosemary are actually following up on a

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lot of these sightings that i was

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getting and you know we were doing vice

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versa so we had a lot of different

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getting direct information from

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so uh you know we've been looking into

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this ever since all that started it's

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kind of come and gone weaned and

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and got a little exciting here and there

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this year

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progressed and kind of changed a bit

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you know that's citing overall and we're

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going to talk about that

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that sighting overall was pretty unique

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i don't know how many witnesses we have

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it seems like there's more coming too

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this sighting had a lot of the uh the

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tsa security show up

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for when this beam was showing itself

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right there off that access road by the

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tarmac

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it's in an area of the airport the cargo

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of the airport where a lot of the

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sightings have come and i believe if i'm

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that we've had at least six sightings

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yards of that that cemetery and for

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people who don't know there is a

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the uh resthaven cemetery

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so of course this entry hasn't treated

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me and now i'm all of us from the

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beginning like what the hell is the

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cemetery doing out there and you know is

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there any connection because we had a

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ufo sighting on that thing above that

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thing and

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i i got a uh i got a text

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from uh jennifer elsner and jennifer

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has been involved with uh

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the paranormal and has done

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production and such for tv shows and

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she watched an interview i had done with

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zen podcast

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now that

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she had known zen this guy's in uh in

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school i think at some

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point well anyway um

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she was intrigued with the interview

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of what i had been talking about with

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because she was experiencing the same

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so uh

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she got the book my alien disclosure

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experiences exposed reality read the

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book read everything in there plus what

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as far as the chapter on david

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and she felt compelled to contact me

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uh in the meantime she has been in

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communication with these beings

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that have called them are calling

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themselves the unseen ones they're

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they don't like being called

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extraterrestrials they don't like being

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they're an ultra terrestrial race of

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beings or species of beings

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after some consultation and then her

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talking to me

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and her and i working together a lot i

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mean we've been on the horn

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i mean she lives in wisconsin now but

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we've been living in on the horn we've

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been on the horn like every day for

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hours and hours and hours until

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picking up on some of the some of the

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communication as well

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so uh that kind of led up into we and

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who we are right now um

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and it's been a whirlwind i mean

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especially the past

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and uh where we have learned that in

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particular just like there was a

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photograph that david had taken

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uh several years ago

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and i've always been intrigued by that

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photograph because it it reminded me or

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i sensed that some kind of connection

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with

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these winged beans was there

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and when we presented it to one of these

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ultra-terrestrials

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they basically

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acknowledged that that was the one

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photograph that we had others being

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started digging a little bit further so

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as time is going on uh we started a

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splinter group off the phantoms monsters

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40 research

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individuals who these ultra-terrestrials

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these unseen ones

288
00:11:22,230 --> 00:11:19,920
have designated

289
00:11:25,590 --> 00:11:22,240
that they're interested in contacting as

290
00:11:27,590 --> 00:11:25,600
well and they designated them by name

291
00:11:30,230 --> 00:11:27,600
they told us

292
00:11:31,509 --> 00:11:30,240
told jen and i who they wanted to be on

293
00:11:35,110 --> 00:11:31,519
that team

294
00:11:37,350 --> 00:11:35,120
and fortunately we have waylon now

295
00:11:40,230 --> 00:11:37,360
to boswell and his wife

296
00:11:43,350 --> 00:11:40,240
we've got uh manuel

297
00:11:44,870 --> 00:11:43,360
we've got vincent and kaden mask because

298
00:11:46,550 --> 00:11:44,880
one of the other group members is in

299
00:11:47,990 --> 00:11:46,560
this as well

300
00:11:49,670 --> 00:11:48,000
so hopefully

301
00:11:53,030 --> 00:11:49,680
everybody on this team is going to start

302
00:11:55,910 --> 00:11:53,040
getting some communication now

303
00:11:58,790 --> 00:11:55,920
that's why i've got tobias and manuel

304
00:12:01,030 --> 00:11:58,800
here because um

305
00:12:03,590 --> 00:12:01,040
manuel experienced something about a

306
00:12:05,110 --> 00:12:03,600
week ago out at the airport that he's

307
00:12:06,710 --> 00:12:05,120
going to discuss and this is the first

308
00:12:10,150 --> 00:12:06,720
time he's discussing

309
00:12:12,710 --> 00:12:10,160
with anybody outside the team so um and

310
00:12:13,750 --> 00:12:12,720
i think tobias may have had an encounter

311
00:12:16,870 --> 00:12:13,760
as well

312
00:12:18,470 --> 00:12:16,880
a few days ago so you know

313
00:12:19,990 --> 00:12:18,480
we'll let you present what you think is

314
00:12:22,310 --> 00:12:20,000
going on is there

315
00:12:23,990 --> 00:12:22,320
uh tobias so um

316
00:12:25,829 --> 00:12:24,000
but manuel why don't you tell us what

317
00:12:28,470 --> 00:12:25,839
happened to you

318
00:12:30,710 --> 00:12:28,480
well i had gone out to the uh wrestling

319
00:12:34,230 --> 00:12:30,720
cemetery i was um

320
00:12:37,110 --> 00:12:34,240
had planned on uh meeting up with uh

321
00:12:39,110 --> 00:12:37,120
tobias and uh aubry who's another

322
00:12:40,470 --> 00:12:39,120
investigator um

323
00:12:42,150 --> 00:12:40,480
and

324
00:12:43,990 --> 00:12:42,160
we went out there we you know we were

325
00:12:45,110 --> 00:12:44,000
looking at the spots where a lot of

326
00:12:46,790 --> 00:12:45,120
these uh

327
00:12:48,870 --> 00:12:46,800
sightings had happened and we had just

328
00:12:50,550 --> 00:12:48,880
received that report from the gentleman

329
00:12:53,910 --> 00:12:50,560
who worked at the fedex facility who

330
00:12:56,389 --> 00:12:53,920
says he saw multiple entities so i had

331
00:12:57,670 --> 00:12:56,399
to go out there and take some pictures

332
00:12:59,829 --> 00:12:57,680
um

333
00:13:01,829 --> 00:12:59,839
we were out there for a while evan i

334
00:13:04,710 --> 00:13:01,839
decided to um

335
00:13:06,470 --> 00:13:04,720
you know we went our separate ways and

336
00:13:07,590 --> 00:13:06,480
somebody just told me to go back to the

337
00:13:10,069 --> 00:13:07,600
cemetery

338
00:13:12,389 --> 00:13:10,079
so i did and that's when i was

339
00:13:13,829 --> 00:13:12,399
communicating with you um you know over

340
00:13:15,269 --> 00:13:13,839
messenger

341
00:13:18,310 --> 00:13:15,279
and

342
00:13:20,870 --> 00:13:18,320
so i went in you know i had been the

343
00:13:24,069 --> 00:13:20,880
cemetery itself is

344
00:13:26,230 --> 00:13:24,079
maybe 50 yards long by about

345
00:13:28,710 --> 00:13:26,240
20 yards wide

346
00:13:29,670 --> 00:13:28,720
it's a very small little cemetery

347
00:13:31,829 --> 00:13:29,680
um

348
00:13:34,629 --> 00:13:31,839
it sits directly across the street from

349
00:13:36,150 --> 00:13:34,639
a huge fedex uh terminal

350
00:13:37,990 --> 00:13:36,160
uh and on the

351
00:13:39,750 --> 00:13:38,000
to the uh

352
00:13:41,350 --> 00:13:39,760
right of it just on the other side of

353
00:13:43,189 --> 00:13:41,360
the fence is an active the active

354
00:13:44,550 --> 00:13:43,199
runways for o'hare

355
00:13:45,430 --> 00:13:44,560
um

356
00:13:47,509 --> 00:13:45,440
so

357
00:13:50,150 --> 00:13:47,519
the thing is is this entire facil this

358
00:13:51,750 --> 00:13:50,160
entire area is surrounded by thick

359
00:13:53,910 --> 00:13:51,760
groves of trees

360
00:13:55,509 --> 00:13:53,920
uh except for the uh

361
00:13:57,910 --> 00:13:55,519
right at the entrance

362
00:13:59,509 --> 00:13:57,920
um and a couple of little spots where

363
00:14:00,949 --> 00:13:59,519
there's a sign

364
00:14:04,230 --> 00:14:00,959
so

365
00:14:05,430 --> 00:14:04,240
park there and you can go into the

366
00:14:06,550 --> 00:14:05,440
cemetery

367
00:14:08,629 --> 00:14:06,560
um

368
00:14:09,990 --> 00:14:08,639
and for the most part it's always

369
00:14:10,949 --> 00:14:10,000
accessible

370
00:14:13,350 --> 00:14:10,959
um

371
00:14:14,389 --> 00:14:13,360
so we had gone out there and we were

372
00:14:15,590 --> 00:14:14,399
sitting

373
00:14:17,509 --> 00:14:15,600
you know

374
00:14:19,189 --> 00:14:17,519
and i was talking to the team

375
00:14:21,110 --> 00:14:19,199
as i was sitting there and they're

376
00:14:23,350 --> 00:14:21,120
telling me you know

377
00:14:26,310 --> 00:14:23,360
kind of giving me you know

378
00:14:28,470 --> 00:14:26,320
um a walk through do you know

379
00:14:31,990 --> 00:14:28,480
sit down you know there was benches

380
00:14:34,389 --> 00:14:32,000
there so i sat down and you know

381
00:14:35,910 --> 00:14:34,399
clear your mind you know try to

382
00:14:37,750 --> 00:14:35,920
try to listen

383
00:14:40,150 --> 00:14:37,760
you know to what's out there

384
00:14:42,310 --> 00:14:40,160
try to you know open your mind try to

385
00:14:45,030 --> 00:14:42,320
you know raise your awareness

386
00:14:47,269 --> 00:14:45,040
so i'm out there doing this and i'm

387
00:14:48,949 --> 00:14:47,279
communicating with alan and

388
00:14:50,150 --> 00:14:48,959
jennifer and everybody on the team at

389
00:14:51,910 --> 00:14:50,160
the same time

390
00:14:53,430 --> 00:14:51,920
and they're telling me you know put the

391
00:14:56,150 --> 00:14:53,440
camera down i had a

392
00:14:58,389 --> 00:14:56,160
digital camera with me plus my phone

393
00:15:00,629 --> 00:14:58,399
and um he told me put the camera down so

394
00:15:02,310 --> 00:15:00,639
i turned it off put it to the side

395
00:15:04,470 --> 00:15:02,320
and

396
00:15:05,829 --> 00:15:04,480
they started telling me you know there's

397
00:15:07,590 --> 00:15:05,839
something there

398
00:15:09,590 --> 00:15:07,600
um

399
00:15:10,949 --> 00:15:09,600
try to you know it wants to communicate

400
00:15:13,110 --> 00:15:10,959
with you so

401
00:15:14,710 --> 00:15:13,120
i'm following your instructions you know

402
00:15:15,990 --> 00:15:14,720
um

403
00:15:18,069 --> 00:15:16,000
the first thing i told you about the

404
00:15:19,990 --> 00:15:18,079
rabbits that there was a couple of

405
00:15:22,150 --> 00:15:20,000
rabbits out there

406
00:15:23,750 --> 00:15:22,160
and so i was kind of just naturally

407
00:15:27,189 --> 00:15:23,760
watching the rabbits and

408
00:15:29,910 --> 00:15:27,199
i mean if anybody knows i'm i hunt so

409
00:15:31,990 --> 00:15:29,920
you know my first things used to watch

410
00:15:33,670 --> 00:15:32,000
you know what would be considered like a

411
00:15:35,110 --> 00:15:33,680
prey animal or something because if it

412
00:15:37,430 --> 00:15:35,120
scatters

413
00:15:38,389 --> 00:15:37,440
um it's just an instinct

414
00:15:40,150 --> 00:15:38,399
um

415
00:15:41,749 --> 00:15:40,160
and they're coming you know it's in

416
00:15:43,670 --> 00:15:41,759
front of the rabbits you know the rabbit

417
00:15:45,110 --> 00:15:43,680
just passed in front of it

418
00:15:48,949 --> 00:15:45,120
um

419
00:15:50,629 --> 00:15:48,959
hold your you know arm out so i did

420
00:15:52,949 --> 00:15:50,639
and

421
00:15:55,590 --> 00:15:52,959
you started immediately feeling

422
00:15:56,949 --> 00:15:55,600
you know like tingles

423
00:15:58,629 --> 00:15:56,959
i know how to explain it like little

424
00:16:00,310 --> 00:15:58,639
pinpricks on the

425
00:16:02,629 --> 00:16:00,320
tips of my fingers leading all the way

426
00:16:04,230 --> 00:16:02,639
up to my palm

427
00:16:06,470 --> 00:16:04,240
and

428
00:16:09,430 --> 00:16:06,480
they were telling me you know

429
00:16:11,110 --> 00:16:09,440
it's behind you you know and look to the

430
00:16:12,870 --> 00:16:11,120
right and you look to the right and saw

431
00:16:16,069 --> 00:16:12,880
some shadows

432
00:16:17,350 --> 00:16:16,079
and then you start hearing whispering

433
00:16:20,150 --> 00:16:17,360
um

434
00:16:22,470 --> 00:16:20,160
i heard it very distinctly very clear

435
00:16:24,069 --> 00:16:22,480
they call my name

436
00:16:25,749 --> 00:16:24,079
um

437
00:16:27,990 --> 00:16:25,759
i mean it's just

438
00:16:29,590 --> 00:16:28,000
whispering from behind

439
00:16:32,069 --> 00:16:29,600
and

440
00:16:33,509 --> 00:16:32,079
you're feeling this connection

441
00:16:37,829 --> 00:16:33,519
it's just

442
00:16:39,430 --> 00:16:37,839
so strange i mean it's like

443
00:16:41,430 --> 00:16:39,440
if you could take energy and kind of

444
00:16:42,710 --> 00:16:41,440
make it tangible

445
00:16:45,269 --> 00:16:42,720
uh

446
00:16:46,150 --> 00:16:45,279
and feel it um it's what it would feel

447
00:16:47,269 --> 00:16:46,160
like

448
00:16:49,590 --> 00:16:47,279
um

449
00:16:51,189 --> 00:16:49,600
i was at the same time you know i'm i'm

450
00:16:54,389 --> 00:16:51,199
trying to glance over the phone because

451
00:16:56,790 --> 00:16:54,399
i get i'm getting messages from the team

452
00:16:59,189 --> 00:16:56,800
and they're telling me it's behind me

453
00:17:01,590 --> 00:16:59,199
you know you're hearing

454
00:17:02,790 --> 00:17:01,600
what can only describe what the sound of

455
00:17:04,710 --> 00:17:02,800
wings

456
00:17:06,470 --> 00:17:04,720
you know you're seeing shadows

457
00:17:08,470 --> 00:17:06,480
i will tell you right now

458
00:17:10,309 --> 00:17:08,480
i did not see

459
00:17:12,309 --> 00:17:10,319
the actual

460
00:17:15,110 --> 00:17:12,319
you saw the shadows you saw that you

461
00:17:16,549 --> 00:17:15,120
felt the energy i did not i'm not gonna

462
00:17:19,429 --> 00:17:16,559
sit here and say oh i saw it it was

463
00:17:20,230 --> 00:17:19,439
there uh it's not you

464
00:17:22,949 --> 00:17:20,240
were

465
00:17:24,069 --> 00:17:22,959
there

466
00:17:26,470 --> 00:17:24,079
and

467
00:17:29,510 --> 00:17:26,480
i was told that um

468
00:17:31,029 --> 00:17:29,520
you know about the rock you know it

469
00:17:33,669 --> 00:17:31,039
i looked over and there was a rock right

470
00:17:34,470 --> 00:17:33,679
there and i was told to pick that rock

471
00:17:35,350 --> 00:17:34,480
up

472
00:17:37,990 --> 00:17:35,360
and

473
00:17:39,029 --> 00:17:38,000
that it had put the rock there for me

474
00:17:40,870 --> 00:17:39,039
and

475
00:17:42,789 --> 00:17:40,880
the rock was

476
00:17:44,230 --> 00:17:42,799
you know

477
00:17:47,590 --> 00:17:44,240
it was charged you could kind of feel

478
00:17:48,789 --> 00:17:47,600
the energy from it so

479
00:17:51,270 --> 00:17:48,799
i um

480
00:17:53,029 --> 00:17:51,280
picked it up and the entire encounter

481
00:17:55,510 --> 00:17:53,039
itself lasted

482
00:17:56,630 --> 00:17:55,520
i want to say what 15 minutes or so when

483
00:17:59,510 --> 00:17:56,640
we were

484
00:18:00,789 --> 00:17:59,520
you know from beginning to end

485
00:18:04,310 --> 00:18:00,799
so

486
00:18:07,270 --> 00:18:04,320
um the entity had a name um

487
00:18:11,029 --> 00:18:07,280
i'm not sure if i want to really say

488
00:18:13,190 --> 00:18:11,039
yeah go ahead and at that language guru

489
00:18:15,190 --> 00:18:13,200
you are you

490
00:18:18,070 --> 00:18:15,200
um

491
00:18:19,750 --> 00:18:18,080
from what i was the energy was given off

492
00:18:22,230 --> 00:18:19,760
it was and when i was being told from

493
00:18:25,750 --> 00:18:22,240
the team as i was being guided

494
00:18:26,870 --> 00:18:25,760
it was a juvenile it wasn't a full-grown

495
00:18:29,430 --> 00:18:26,880
adult

496
00:18:32,070 --> 00:18:29,440
so it did give up

497
00:18:33,430 --> 00:18:32,080
juvenile energy kind of skittish

498
00:18:38,470 --> 00:18:33,440
kind of

499
00:18:39,510 --> 00:18:38,480
somebody you know it's still skittish it

500
00:18:40,789 --> 00:18:39,520
doesn't

501
00:18:42,390 --> 00:18:40,799
understand

502
00:18:44,150 --> 00:18:42,400
um it's

503
00:18:45,990 --> 00:18:44,160
exploring

504
00:18:48,230 --> 00:18:46,000
but it was

505
00:18:51,029 --> 00:18:48,240
an energy that was really really you

506
00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:51,039
could tell first off it was very

507
00:18:54,710 --> 00:18:53,760
ancient kind of energy and it was also

508
00:18:57,750 --> 00:18:54,720
very

509
00:18:59,270 --> 00:18:57,760
powerful even if it was a juvenile

510
00:19:01,430 --> 00:18:59,280
um

511
00:19:03,110 --> 00:19:01,440
it was almost overwhelming

512
00:19:03,909 --> 00:19:03,120
um

513
00:19:05,830 --> 00:19:03,919
it

514
00:19:08,830 --> 00:19:05,840
kind of over said overall powers you're

515
00:19:13,270 --> 00:19:11,909
um it finally decided that you know it's

516
00:19:14,870 --> 00:19:13,280
time um

517
00:19:15,830 --> 00:19:14,880
the encounter ended

518
00:19:17,110 --> 00:19:15,840
um

519
00:19:20,070 --> 00:19:17,120
i was talking to you guys as i was

520
00:19:22,230 --> 00:19:20,080
getting in the car and uh leaving

521
00:19:24,789 --> 00:19:22,240
uh because i was instructed to leave the

522
00:19:29,029 --> 00:19:27,510
but it was one of those things where

523
00:19:31,669 --> 00:19:29,039
it took

524
00:19:34,070 --> 00:19:31,679
about three days

525
00:19:35,510 --> 00:19:34,080
for me to actually get back to normal it

526
00:19:36,830 --> 00:19:35,520
was

527
00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:36,840
so

528
00:19:41,669 --> 00:19:38,880
overwhelming uh

529
00:19:43,830 --> 00:19:41,679
and since then i've had you know

530
00:19:45,830 --> 00:19:43,840
you know

531
00:19:47,590 --> 00:19:45,840
encounters as well i mean just the

532
00:19:50,230 --> 00:19:47,600
energy output you can feel it you can

533
00:19:51,110 --> 00:19:50,240
feel it it's there talking to you

534
00:19:53,430 --> 00:19:51,120
um

535
00:19:56,470 --> 00:19:53,440
trying to show you you know i've had

536
00:19:58,390 --> 00:19:56,480
very vivid dreams that have um

537
00:19:59,270 --> 00:19:58,400
involved like shadows

538
00:20:00,950 --> 00:19:59,280
um

539
00:20:02,470 --> 00:20:00,960
being in front of me and feeling you

540
00:20:03,909 --> 00:20:02,480
know the feeling of

541
00:20:07,029 --> 00:20:03,919
something's there or something trying to

542
00:20:09,190 --> 00:20:07,039
communicate something trying to talk so

543
00:20:10,870 --> 00:20:09,200
yeah that's basically the encounter it

544
00:20:12,870 --> 00:20:10,880
was a very very

545
00:20:14,470 --> 00:20:12,880
intense encounter

546
00:20:16,470 --> 00:20:14,480
um

547
00:20:18,630 --> 00:20:16,480
something that was

548
00:20:20,470 --> 00:20:18,640
you could kind of tell that even if it

549
00:20:23,190 --> 00:20:20,480
was chewing out its

550
00:20:24,789 --> 00:20:23,200
its origins were very old

551
00:20:25,750 --> 00:20:24,799
um

552
00:20:28,630 --> 00:20:25,760
and

553
00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:28,640
it was not of this world so

554
00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:30,240
it was uh

555
00:20:34,870 --> 00:20:32,400
there for a reason it was there

556
00:20:37,750 --> 00:20:34,880
specifically just to communicate

557
00:20:40,870 --> 00:20:37,760
and try to make you know establish

558
00:20:42,549 --> 00:20:40,880
a contact or like a

559
00:20:43,510 --> 00:20:42,559
a bond

560
00:20:45,350 --> 00:20:43,520
um

561
00:20:47,510 --> 00:20:45,360
i felt that a couple times i still have

562
00:20:48,630 --> 00:20:47,520
actually had the rock right here

563
00:20:50,070 --> 00:20:48,640
um

564
00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:50,080
and

565
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:52,320
you hold it you still feel the charge up

566
00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:55,919
off of it it's just you know just a

567
00:21:00,149 --> 00:20:58,320
piece of limestone rock but it's got an

568
00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:00,159
energy that you know

569
00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:02,640
it gives off and

570
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:06,240
kind of cool to the touch still but

571
00:21:10,390 --> 00:21:09,120
in the days following you know you feel

572
00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:10,400
like

573
00:21:15,750 --> 00:21:13,840
you're

574
00:21:17,909 --> 00:21:15,760
able to communicate

575
00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:17,919
you know even though it's still

576
00:21:21,430 --> 00:21:20,320
fleeting you can still feel it and

577
00:21:22,950 --> 00:21:21,440
you're trying to

578
00:21:23,909 --> 00:21:22,960
i've been working on i've been working

579
00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:23,919
with lauren i've been working with

580
00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:26,000
jennifer trying to

581
00:21:29,909 --> 00:21:27,120
learn

582
00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:29,919
how to control that how to control the

583
00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:31,919
vibrations the energies

584
00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:34,720
to try to communicate with it

585
00:21:37,510 --> 00:21:35,440
but

586
00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:37,520
it was something that was literally

587
00:21:41,510 --> 00:21:38,799
life-changing

588
00:21:44,789 --> 00:21:42,390
well

589
00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:44,799
it was life-changing for me i tell you i

590
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:46,000
was um

591
00:21:51,190 --> 00:21:48,159
of course jennifer and i were

592
00:21:53,190 --> 00:21:51,200
were on messenger with you at the time

593
00:21:54,710 --> 00:21:53,200
and uh you know we were trying to

594
00:21:56,789 --> 00:21:54,720
communicate i was getting a little

595
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:56,799
frightened because you there were the

596
00:22:00,390 --> 00:21:58,480
times you were

597
00:22:02,390 --> 00:22:00,400
probably overwhelmed by what was going

598
00:22:04,789 --> 00:22:02,400
on you just weren't answering back and

599
00:22:06,070 --> 00:22:04,799
uh it got a little it got a little hairy

600
00:22:08,149 --> 00:22:06,080
there it seemed but

601
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:08,159
you did i mean it's interesting i it's

602
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:10,240
almost like i was actually

603
00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:12,480
and for those who know i i do remove

604
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:16,159
viewing but you know a lot of that is

605
00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:18,640
intuitive and psychic as well i don't

606
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:20,480
really consider myself a psychic medium

607
00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:22,799
but you know you do pick up things

608
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:23,919
um

609
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:26,159
and i i was like i was standing there

610
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:28,320
watching the whole thing with you

611
00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:30,960
uh now first of all

612
00:22:36,390 --> 00:22:33,120
the beings these unseen ones who

613
00:22:39,190 --> 00:22:36,400
communicate with jennifer and myself

614
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:39,200
are their names are ukiah

615
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:43,440
and choco that's the names they gave us

616
00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:45,120
and when

617
00:22:49,110 --> 00:22:47,120
yukiya was

618
00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:49,120
told jennifer that

619
00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:51,200
the name of this being he was going to

620
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:53,360
meet you at the cemetery his name was

621
00:22:58,390 --> 00:22:55,760
guru you are you

622
00:23:00,789 --> 00:22:58,400
uh they explained it was a juvenile

623
00:23:02,789 --> 00:23:00,799
um and from what i'm getting and i don't

624
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:02,799
know if this is even true

625
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:06,480
but i've got a sense that many of these

626
00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:08,880
wing beings that are being seen at the

627
00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:11,679
airport and around

628
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:13,679
around the chicago area are actually

629
00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:16,799
juveniles uh they're younger beings

630
00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:19,039
and advice you know we've had sightings

631
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:21,520
of smaller beans as well

632
00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:22,960
so i don't know if that's there's a

633
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:25,840
correlation there or not i don't know

634
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:28,080
but uh we're going to go deeper into

635
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:30,080
this i i'd like to know

636
00:23:35,350 --> 00:23:32,240
tobias what did you experience the night

637
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:37,510
oh sure so uh that was a pretty

638
00:23:40,870 --> 00:23:39,280
interesting night we went out there as

639
00:23:43,269 --> 00:23:40,880
emily and myself our friend jay

640
00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:43,279
bichochen who was a a very active

641
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:45,200
researcher in that area

642
00:23:49,830 --> 00:23:47,679
and then uh a couple of members of the

643
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:49,840
the singer affording society um so we

644
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:51,840
were doing this this in-person uh

645
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:54,000
investigation oh adam benedict of the

646
00:23:57,510 --> 00:23:55,760
the pine barrens institute was also

647
00:23:58,390 --> 00:23:57,520
there i can't forget my my good buddy

648
00:23:59,269 --> 00:23:58,400
adam

649
00:24:02,149 --> 00:23:59,279
um

650
00:24:05,669 --> 00:24:02,159
and so we had gone out uh originally

651
00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:05,679
what we wanted to do was uh repeat this

652
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:07,840
ce5 experiment that that we had

653
00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:09,600
conducted you know several weeks ago and

654
00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:12,080
we had had some some pretty good

655
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:14,559
results from that um and so we headed

656
00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:16,720
out there and uh and and we repeated

657
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:19,600
that particular experiment um

658
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:22,320
and we did have some some pretty good

659
00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:26,159
results but um i think probably

660
00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:28,240
uh in terms of something that that could

661
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:30,080
potentially be related to this

662
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:32,880
phenomenon it was really on the way out

663
00:24:36,149 --> 00:24:34,320
that um

664
00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:36,159
that we noticed

665
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:38,720
uh how active the the kettle had had

666
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:40,799
suddenly become you know it it it had

667
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:42,799
been a while since because we go out

668
00:24:47,669 --> 00:24:44,480
there fairly regularly

669
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:47,679
and it had been a while since we had had

670
00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:50,480
uh as active of uh of what we like to

671
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:53,120
call in an escort on our our way out and

672
00:25:01,909 --> 00:24:53,840
so

673
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:01,919
escorting us really

674
00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:03,600
um

675
00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:05,760
and so we certainly had that uh that

676
00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:08,159
feeling on our our way out of the the

677
00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:10,159
kettle last saturday and

678
00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:12,400
and um it was pretty

679
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:15,919
extreme uh a lot of branch breaks um

680
00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:17,919
you know and and just

681
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:20,880
obviously and this is hard to i think

682
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:22,480
really convey to people who are

683
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:24,880
listening or watching but

684
00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:27,600
there really was this um

685
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:30,320
presence that you could feel you know

686
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:31,679
you really have to be there to

687
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:32,960
understand but

688
00:25:38,950 --> 00:25:35,520
uh there there was this palpable sort of

689
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:38,960
presence of just not being alone while

690
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:41,360
this uh this stuff is happening around

691
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:44,400
us on our our way out um

692
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:46,480
and it's interesting to me specifically

693
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:48,720
because i hadn't really made this

694
00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:50,640
connection yet but we have

695
00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:53,200
we've experienced things out there that

696
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:55,120
that certainly could be

697
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:57,200
related to this you know we've we've

698
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:58,799
really only been going out there since

699
00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:00,640
we began the the

700
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:03,039
the uh uh lake michigan mothman

701
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:05,120
investigation and and all that stuff so

702
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:07,520
you know chicago phantom you know o'hare

703
00:26:10,710 --> 00:26:08,960
moth and all that

704
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:10,720
um

705
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:14,000
and uh and we've conducted a variety of

706
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:16,080
investigations with you know different

707
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:18,320
uh experiments and things involved and

708
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:20,960
one of the things that we have done is

709
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:23,440
just take our our spirit box out there

710
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:24,400
you know

711
00:26:27,269 --> 00:26:25,360
um

712
00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:27,279
because there you know there there's a

713
00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:29,440
variety of phenomena that that people

714
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:31,919
report and and some of it is

715
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:34,720
you know very biological seeming um you

716
00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:38,559
know sort of standard bigfoot uh man

717
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:40,240
reports things like that but you know

718
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:43,360
some of it is uh you know strange balls

719
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:46,720
of lights uh missing time experiences uh

720
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:48,559
you know the the the sense of this

721
00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:50,000
presence and

722
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:51,679
and uh and things like that you know

723
00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:53,520
rock throwing which you know maybe

724
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:55,440
something throwing uh rocks at you like

725
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:57,039
some biological animal maybe some kind

726
00:27:01,269 --> 00:26:59,120
of poltergeist effect we really don't

727
00:27:03,269 --> 00:27:01,279
know um

728
00:27:06,789 --> 00:27:03,279
and so because of

729
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:06,799
all of that uh phenomena that had been

730
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:08,080
occurring out there as well you know we

731
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:10,159
decided to take our spirit boxes out

732
00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:12,640
and uh and during one session i remember

733
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:15,279
specifically um and i i don't remember

734
00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:16,880
verbatim because i didn't memorize the

735
00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:19,360
actual conversation but uh basically the

736
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:22,159
the gist of this this spirit box session

737
00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:25,440
was that whatever was accompanying us

738
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:28,159
that particular evening was was watching

739
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:30,640
us and its purpose was to watch us um

740
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:32,559
and i do remember specifically one of

741
00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:34,240
the words that they came through very

742
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:36,559
clearly

743
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:38,320
so when i asked

744
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:40,000
what are you doing like what is the

745
00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:41,360
purpose of this

746
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:45,039
it was literally to to probe us and so

747
00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:47,120
i'm reminded of

748
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:50,240
inexperience that i had in january of

749
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:52,159
2019 i think this would have been just

750
00:27:57,909 --> 00:27:54,880
before the the woodstock sightings began

751
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:57,919
um i was out walking our dog this is

752
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:59,760
when we still lived in madison we've

753
00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:01,440
we've since moved but i was out walking

754
00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:03,520
our dog and we lived in a

755
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:05,200
fairly uh

756
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:06,640
dark neighborhood like it would get

757
00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:08,880
pretty dark there at night which is

758
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:10,399
weird because we're in the middle of we

759
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:12,240
were in the middle of the city at that

760
00:28:14,310 --> 00:28:13,279
time but

761
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:14,320
anyway

762
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:16,240
i was out walking the dog and we lived

763
00:28:20,389 --> 00:28:18,320
on a hill and so i was about halfway up

764
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:20,399
this hill

765
00:28:24,149 --> 00:28:22,799
and uh and i remember looking at the top

766
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:24,159
of the hill and at the top of the hill

767
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:26,240
there is this uh community center across

768
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:28,080
the street from that there's a park

769
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:31,360
and next to the park i saw these two

770
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:34,240
figures and they appeared to be tall

771
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:36,880
uh cloaked hooded figures i couldn't

772
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:39,120
make out any any real detail you know in

773
00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:41,200
terms of facial detail or anything like

774
00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:43,360
that but they looked like they were just

775
00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:45,200
sort of these solid black

776
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:46,480
stooped

777
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:49,600
cloaked figures and i had the distinct

778
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:50,960
impression in that moment when i'm

779
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:53,039
seeing them standing up on this hill

780
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:55,200
that that these things

781
00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:57,360
were watching me that they were

782
00:29:02,310 --> 00:28:59,760
observing me for whatever reason may be

783
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:02,320
related to the uh investigation that we

784
00:29:06,389 --> 00:29:04,559
were doing at that time

785
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:06,399
and it wasn't until

786
00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:07,520
i saw

787
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:10,720
that photograph that that you shared

788
00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:13,679
uh that uh david took

789
00:29:18,310 --> 00:29:15,840
that it really started to click because

790
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:18,320
i'd always suspected it could have been

791
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:20,960
related to the the mothman stuff like

792
00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:23,279
that's sort of the the traditional

793
00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:25,919
uh you know sort of of high strangeness

794
00:29:31,029 --> 00:29:28,480
that you would expect um investigating

795
00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:31,039
that uh that sort of phenomenon but

796
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:33,200
it really wasn't until some of uh some

797
00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:35,760
more of these pieces started to to fall

798
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:38,000
into place that it really clicked for me

799
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:40,399
because seeing that photograph the

800
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:41,360
the uh

801
00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:45,039
stature the the the posture of the thing

802
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:47,520
in that photograph actually matched the

803
00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:50,159
uh the posture of the things that i had

804
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:52,399
seen up on that hill

805
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:54,960
and then i started thinking well

806
00:30:00,630 --> 00:29:57,600
you know how many witnesses have we had

807
00:30:02,950 --> 00:30:00,640
come to us and say you know i thought at

808
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:02,960
first what i was seeing was a man

809
00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:05,520
wearing a cape or i saw i thought i was

810
00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:08,000
seeing a man wearing a cloak or a hood

811
00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:10,720
or something until it spreads its wings

812
00:30:14,070 --> 00:30:12,320
and then all of a sudden they go well

813
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:14,080
wow that wasn't a cloak that wasn't a

814
00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:16,240
cape that was these things

815
00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:18,159
and so all of these pieces start falling

816
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:19,520
in place for me

817
00:30:22,710 --> 00:30:21,600
and uh and i can't help but wonder what

818
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:22,720
will help

819
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:26,000
i mean is is that what i saw that night

820
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:28,080
because that's that's certainly when you

821
00:30:32,549 --> 00:30:30,480
look at and all of the other

822
00:30:34,630 --> 00:30:32,559
uh pieces we've put together since then

823
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:34,640
it certainly seems possible

824
00:30:39,510 --> 00:30:36,720
honestly seems pretty likely at this

825
00:30:41,669 --> 00:30:39,520
point uh in terms of the the available

826
00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:41,679
explanation so

827
00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:44,320
as far as i know you know i've had

828
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:46,399
contact with these things or at least

829
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:48,320
i've been observed by them

830
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:49,120
for

831
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:52,000
a minimum of of two and a half years you

832
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:54,240
know possibly longer

833
00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:56,320
um so yeah it's it's it's it's very

834
00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:58,240
interesting to me to see this stuff sort

835
00:31:04,470 --> 00:30:58,880
of

836
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:04,480
that entity that uh that uh manuel had

837
00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:08,159
contact with uh uh uru uh and and you

838
00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:10,960
both did this like you both spelled it

839
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:12,159
you know

840
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:15,519
you are you which in and of itself is is

841
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:17,760
an actual phrase in in the english

842
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:19,760
language and it reminds me

843
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:23,279
of in experience i had years ago

844
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:26,159
where i was visited by by some entity

845
00:31:31,750 --> 00:31:29,360
and at the time it took the form of sort

846
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:31,760
of a traditional grey alien but it

847
00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:33,600
imparted this weird message to me and

848
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:35,360
i've never been able to make sense of it

849
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:37,200
but the message was

850
00:31:40,389 --> 00:31:38,720
we are you

851
00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:40,399
and i don't know if that's related at

852
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:43,120
all but just hearing you guys say that

853
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:44,880
right now like that's the first thing

854
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:46,320
that i thought of and so there's all of

855
00:31:50,549 --> 00:31:48,640
these weird synchronicities all of these

856
00:31:52,630 --> 00:31:50,559
things just sort of lining up now that

857
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:52,640
have been happening for for years and

858
00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:54,240
years at this point

859
00:32:03,509 --> 00:31:59,360
and uh it's it's astounding frankly

860
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:05,990
i i have been thinking for the past week

861
00:32:11,110 --> 00:32:07,760
or more a little more

862
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:11,120
since uh manuel had his encounter then

863
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:12,640
some of the things that we've been we've

864
00:32:17,509 --> 00:32:15,039
gone back and looked at it

865
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:17,519
i i have a distinct feeling that these

866
00:32:21,509 --> 00:32:19,200
beings have been watching us in

867
00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:21,519
particular for a long time

868
00:32:26,950 --> 00:32:24,559
i really do i i think that

869
00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:26,960
and when and when it asks for you guys

870
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:28,480
to be put on this

871
00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:30,799
this unseen one's team

872
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:33,279
you guys were it was told to us by name

873
00:32:39,509 --> 00:32:35,840
i mean your names were used

874
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:39,519
um so i have a distinct feeling that

875
00:32:43,509 --> 00:32:41,279
we have been watched

876
00:32:46,470 --> 00:32:43,519
ever since all this began

877
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:46,480
uh at least at least 2017 when all this

878
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:47,840
began so

879
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:50,159
you know or

880
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:52,640
it is it's bizarre it really is bizarre

881
00:32:56,710 --> 00:32:55,600
to me um

882
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:56,720
i don't know

883
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:59,039
my god i i i'm glad you mentioned that

884
00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:00,480
because this is the first time i'm here

885
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:02,240
hearing you say this

886
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:05,120
uh you know and i i didn't really

887
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:07,440
question manuel on his encounter either

888
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:08,880
i wanted to wait

889
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:10,799
for you both to present what had

890
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:13,600
happened to you as a result of this

891
00:33:17,669 --> 00:33:16,320
and uh i'm glad i did because that's

892
00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:17,679
impactful

893
00:33:20,950 --> 00:33:20,000
uh look folks that you're listening to

894
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:20,960
us

895
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:24,799
theorists let's get that right off the

896
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:27,679
table now because that is not us

897
00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:29,919
i mean that that you know we're probably

898
00:33:34,149 --> 00:33:32,399
as far from being conspiracy there's

899
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:34,159
anybody out there

900
00:33:37,509 --> 00:33:35,440
uh

901
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:37,519
i know for myself and i know for tobias

902
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:39,840
especially and for manuel we don't

903
00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:41,279
report anything unless we see the

904
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:42,399
fielder

905
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:44,159
experience it you know

906
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:45,600
and uh

907
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:47,440
you know that's one thing i think we've

908
00:33:50,830 --> 00:33:48,480
learned

909
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:50,840
in spades as far as this whole

910
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:53,279
investigation with these these winged

911
00:33:58,149 --> 00:33:55,200
beings um

912
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:58,159
because these witnesses have become

913
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:01,990
i mean they've become they're very

914
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:03,600
forthright in what they tell you and

915
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:05,519
you've talked to many of them and it

916
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:07,919
it's kind of interesting how they don't

917
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:09,520
embellish on their settings they don't

918
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:12,159
do this they don't do that not not

919
00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:15,119
not like most cryptid sizes or even

920
00:34:19,109 --> 00:34:17,119
hauntings and such people

921
00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:19,119
people have a tendency to embellish on

922
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:21,760
these things and this just now has this

923
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:24,720
just hasn't been the case now is is this

924
00:34:29,270 --> 00:34:26,800
leading up to what we're we're actually

925
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:29,280
going through now

926
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:32,320
i don't know i mean it may very well be

927
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:33,520
but

928
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:35,280
god i don't know you know i'm kind of

929
00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:37,599
dumbfounded now

930
00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:39,359
this whole thing has been like i said

931
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:41,359
it's been a whirlwind now

932
00:34:45,109 --> 00:34:43,440
i will say this

933
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:45,119
before

934
00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:48,399
manuel had his encounter

935
00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:49,359
the

936
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:55,599
this group this unseen one's group is

937
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:57,119
named jikaya

938
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:59,280
he has been communicating with jin for a

939
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:00,960
long time now

940
00:35:05,750 --> 00:35:02,960
and he basically

941
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:05,760
sent us a manifesto

942
00:35:08,069 --> 00:35:06,720
uh

943
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:08,079
statements

944
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:10,240
that he told to her and i actually wrote

945
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,440
it down

946
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:13,440
so you know let me read this out because

947
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:15,359
i have read to you guys as well i mean

948
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:17,520
this first name you guys are hearing it

949
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:20,400
so let's see what you know how you know

950
00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:22,240
if there's any comparison here to what

951
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:24,720
you guys experience now

952
00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:27,440
he states that uh he i'm saying he or it

953
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:29,440
states i don't know it's a he or

954
00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:31,599
her or whatever it is

955
00:35:35,589 --> 00:35:33,359
but the first statement is many of the

956
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:35,599
wing beings have red eyes

957
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:38,720
and can see infrared light

958
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:41,040
the eye color manifests under darker

959
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:43,599
conditions for the most part

960
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:46,320
during daylight the eyes will appear

961
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:52,870
when the ultraterrestrials he refers to

962
00:36:00,390 --> 00:35:55,839
themselves as uts

963
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:00,400
uh wear black or purple robes

964
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:04,880
it is not a mechanism to scare humans

965
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:07,520
most humans do not see them in the dark

966
00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:10,400
or in low light

967
00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:13,599
there are many winged humanoids on our

968
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:18,160
dimensional level at any given time

969
00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:21,680
the ut's have always been at the o'hare

970
00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:24,079
location even before the airport was

971
00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:26,320
built

972
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:29,440
the uts designate those humans able to

973
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:31,680
see or detect them now this is something

974
00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:33,040
we've been thinking

975
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:35,440
wondering about with all the sightings

976
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:37,680
are these people being

977
00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:39,680
picked to see them

978
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:41,440
you know it seems that way because a lot

979
00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:43,119
of times we've gotten sightings where

980
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:45,520
there have been other people around

981
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:46,480
and

982
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:48,160
there's very few people that are seeing

983
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:49,359
it

984
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:52,640
uh the ut's frequent lead lines because

985
00:36:57,430 --> 00:36:54,880
of magnetic resonance

986
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:57,440
comparable to how birds and fish used

987
00:37:01,829 --> 00:37:00,000
for travel

988
00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:01,839
there are definite in

989
00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:04,800
intra cryptic

990
00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:06,480
said again there are definite

991
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:09,040
intracrypted connections

992
00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:14,640
since many unknown species are also uts

993
00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:18,160
and finally uts are not harbingers of

994
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:20,320
disaster

995
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:23,280
but i now i will tell you this now i i i

996
00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:25,119
kind of hesitate to even mention this

997
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:27,040
but i am going to mention because i you

998
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:28,000
know

999
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:31,200
i i stated it to um to jennifer when we

1000
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:32,800
were going through this

1001
00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:36,720
that when that statement was made i had

1002
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:39,920
a vision of an airline crash

1003
00:37:43,829 --> 00:37:41,760
i i mean i'm i'm gonna tell you right

1004
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:43,839
now that's what i had i had a vision it

1005
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:44,960
was quick

1006
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:46,480
i don't know where it was at i don't

1007
00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:47,920
know if it was over here i don't know

1008
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:50,480
where was that but i saw that that's the

1009
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:52,000
only thing i saw

1010
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:54,079
but that was at the end of the the last

1011
00:37:57,270 --> 00:37:55,920
statement they made

1012
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:57,280
so i don't know do you guys want to

1013
00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:00,000
comment on any of that

1014
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:02,880
well there was a major air crash

1015
00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:05,520
at o'hare um

1016
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:07,119
it's been about

1017
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:08,960
oh my god i want to say like 30 years

1018
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:09,839
ago

1019
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:11,119
um

1020
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:15,680
the engine fell off upon takeoff

1021
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:17,680
and it crashed into the field that's

1022
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:19,920
across the street um

1023
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:23,920
if you're on grand avenue um

1024
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:25,680
it's right across the street they

1025
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:27,359
actually have never done anything with

1026
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:29,280
that field since

1027
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:31,440
um there used to be a banner there to

1028
00:38:35,589 --> 00:38:34,160
kind of memorialize and now there's a uh

1029
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:35,599
down the street at the park there's a

1030
00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:38,880
huge memorial there's a like a long

1031
00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:40,880
large spire that's the memorial for that

1032
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:41,920
crash

1033
00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:43,040
um

1034
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:44,800
i'm trying to look up the crash real

1035
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:45,599
quick

1036
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:46,400
but

1037
00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:48,240
i mean there couldn't be that i've never

1038
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:50,560
heard of anything else

1039
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:53,760
ever happening at o'hare other than a

1040
00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:55,920
couple of years ago a plane caught fire

1041
00:38:59,910 --> 00:38:58,320
as it landed and that's because um i

1042
00:39:02,230 --> 00:38:59,920
think they said it was in the news they

1043
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:02,240
said it was because uh almost the same

1044
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:04,640
situation as with the uh

1045
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:07,040
um concord there was debris on the

1046
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:08,880
ground on the runway and it kicked up

1047
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:11,040
and punctured the wing

1048
00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:12,880
um

1049
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:17,520
plane itself was landing

1050
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:19,200
uh

1051
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:21,680
when it happened so there was a lot of

1052
00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:22,720
uh

1053
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:24,800
social media stuff it was american

1054
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:27,520
airlines flight 191

1055
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:28,480
um

1056
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:31,280
that had uh 258 people

1057
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:36,240
died no survivors uh may 25th of 1979

1058
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:36,960
yeah

1059
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:39,839
wow yes over 40 years ago and i actually

1060
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:41,359
remember seeing the

1061
00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:43,839
video what they had of it because that

1062
00:39:47,349 --> 00:39:45,599
thing we took off it kind of just took a

1063
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:47,359
nosedive and went behind one of the

1064
00:39:51,270 --> 00:39:49,680
buildings there at the airport crashed

1065
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:51,280
the number one engine and the pylon

1066
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:54,000
separated during uh the rotation and

1067
00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:56,880
that dragged out the i guess when it

1068
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:58,880
fell it dragged the took the hydraulic

1069
00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:00,960
system along with it

1070
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:03,680
and um caused the plane to bank and then

1071
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:05,680
just crashed straight into the field

1072
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:07,119
um

1073
00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:09,520
i'm i'm too young to probably remember i

1074
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:12,560
was only four maybe five years old

1075
00:40:16,309 --> 00:40:14,400
uh when it happened

1076
00:40:17,109 --> 00:40:16,319
but other than that there's just been

1077
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:17,119
there's

1078
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:19,040
oh here for the relative part it's been

1079
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:20,880
quiet even though it's probably one of

1080
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:23,119
the top maybe three most busiest

1081
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:25,200
airports in the entire world

1082
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:26,640
um

1083
00:40:31,750 --> 00:40:28,640
you know it's pretty safety record is

1084
00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:31,760
remarkable actually it really is i mean

1085
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:34,000
compared to most other airports

1086
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:36,000
yeah and for the amount of traffic that

1087
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:37,440
comes in and out of there as well as

1088
00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:40,560
midway midway's been very safe as well

1089
00:40:44,230 --> 00:40:42,960
so uh you know i yeah you're right i

1090
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:44,240
mean now i

1091
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:46,000
i don't like i said i'm gonna say again

1092
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:47,680
that vision i had

1093
00:40:51,190 --> 00:40:49,520
i don't know if it was there or what

1094
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:51,200
airport it was

1095
00:40:55,109 --> 00:40:53,680
but that i got a brief glimpse of

1096
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:55,119
something that looked like there was an

1097
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:56,960
aircraft crash you know when the

1098
00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:59,280
airliner crashed so you know that's all

1099
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:01,200
i'm gonna say but i figured i should say

1100
00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:03,280
it because that's what came to me

1101
00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:05,520
and i did make note of it

1102
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:06,880
so um

1103
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:09,119
tomas what's your thoughts on this soup

1104
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:12,000
called manifesto

1105
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:13,680
well one of the things that's uh that's

1106
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:15,520
interesting to me that stuck out right

1107
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:19,440
away is the differentiation uh in eye

1108
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:21,040
color between

1109
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:23,520
different types of or different times of

1110
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:24,560
day and

1111
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:27,839
and and uh different uh volumes of light

1112
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:29,680
present you know so you've got these red

1113
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:32,880
eyes at night and then in the daytime

1114
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:35,280
uh uh you know you've got these these

1115
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:37,599
darker uh black eyes and and you know

1116
00:41:41,829 --> 00:41:39,680
actually i'm making in

1117
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:41,839
assumption there like i'm i'm assuming

1118
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:44,079
that that has to do with the

1119
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:47,280
uh amount of of light present at those

1120
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:50,800
particular times now if it does

1121
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:53,839
well that makes this other case uh uh

1122
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:55,760
very very interesting and and sort of

1123
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:56,560
fit

1124
00:42:01,190 --> 00:41:59,040
into into place in terms of the the

1125
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:01,200
larger investigation so the

1126
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:03,200
uh 2017

1127
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:06,640
uh mukwonago wisconsin sighting now

1128
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:07,839
that witness

1129
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:10,240
said that uh you know he had his

1130
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:12,800
sighting at night uh but the thing that

1131
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:15,599
he saw uh had these these large black

1132
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:18,000
eyes however

1133
00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:20,000
when he was looking at it it was

1134
00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:22,720
standing right in front of his van which

1135
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:24,480
was parked at that time and he had

1136
00:42:28,829 --> 00:42:26,480
turned his headlights on

1137
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:28,839
and so my thought was well

1138
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:32,319
okay if there is some some element you

1139
00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:34,720
know to these eyes that causes them to

1140
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:37,520
to change depending on how much light is

1141
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:39,359
present well maybe

1142
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:41,440
the the headlights of this van

1143
00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:43,359
would have triggered whatever

1144
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:44,480
reflex

1145
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:47,760
or or response that is and uh and so

1146
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:49,760
this thing had black eyes during his

1147
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:51,920
sighting and mostly it doesn't because

1148
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:53,760
most people aren't shining car

1149
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:55,760
headlights directly in into the things

1150
00:43:01,109 --> 00:42:59,119
eyes when when they they see him um so

1151
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:01,119
that yeah that that made

1152
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:02,960
a lot of sense to me um

1153
00:43:07,349 --> 00:43:04,560
obviously i

1154
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:07,359
have uh argued

1155
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:10,400
uh vehemently against the the harbinger

1156
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:13,760
of doom angle for for some time because

1157
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:15,440
it's never made it easter

1158
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:16,960
yeah um

1159
00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:19,200
and uh and so yeah i mean obviously i'm

1160
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:20,480
going to

1161
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:23,119
agree with that um you know and in terms

1162
00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:24,960
of other stuff that's that's really

1163
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:26,960
verifiable i mean i don't i don't know

1164
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:29,920
what to to to make of of your vision um

1165
00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:31,119
you know hopefully it doesn't come true

1166
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:32,560
nobody wants to see that kind of thing

1167
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:36,000
happen yeah i uh i mean like i said i

1168
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:37,680
was hesitant to even mention it but i

1169
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:39,760
figured for the record i'd stated but

1170
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:40,480
yeah

1171
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:42,640
i don't know why they put why they've

1172
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:45,119
stated this harbinger of disaster or

1173
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:46,720
whatever because

1174
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:47,920
maybe they know that we've been

1175
00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:49,680
concerned about it and been hearing a

1176
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:51,040
lot about and you and i have been

1177
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:52,560
denying that

1178
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:54,960
every time we go on a radio show we we

1179
00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:56,640
kind of shoot that down because we're

1180
00:44:01,990 --> 00:43:59,119
always asked that question well you know

1181
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:02,000
is this similar to what happened at

1182
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:04,160
at uh point pleasant well you know you

1183
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:06,000
and i both don't believe

1184
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:08,319
the point pleasant situation was a

1185
00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:10,800
harvard harbinger disaster

1186
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:12,800
uh you know it seemed to me like it was

1187
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:14,160
the biggest you know people were trying

1188
00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:16,240
to find answers why 46 people in a

1189
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:17,920
little town die like that all of a

1190
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:18,960
sudden

1191
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:21,520
i think john needed an ending for his

1192
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:23,040
book frankly

1193
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:24,240
exactly

1194
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:27,040
because nobody in point pleasant uh you

1195
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:29,680
know in 1967

1196
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:32,480
was blaming mothman for that bridge

1197
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:34,400
collapse everybody knew why it happened

1198
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:36,640
it was a faulty eye pin and there were

1199
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:38,319
no bones about it and certainly the

1200
00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:40,400
people grieving for their lost loved

1201
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:43,040
ones and neighbors were not connecting

1202
00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:45,119
it to to any monster sightings at that

1203
00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:47,680
time it wasn't until the 70s uh when

1204
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:49,760
keel wrote his book and he needed a

1205
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:52,160
narrative ending that people would enjoy

1206
00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:54,400
when he wrote it then anybody was

1207
00:44:59,670 --> 00:44:56,480
talking about it so

1208
00:45:01,829 --> 00:44:59,680
yeah of course it never made sense

1209
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:01,839
well i mean kind of think about it back

1210
00:45:05,190 --> 00:45:04,000
in the 60s when this happened did they

1211
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:05,200
really take

1212
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:07,040
did they do inspections like they do

1213
00:45:11,829 --> 00:45:09,200
nowadays with uh

1214
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:11,839
um bridges um

1215
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:13,760
i mean this was a result of metal

1216
00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:16,319
fatigue basically um

1217
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:17,200
um

1218
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:19,599
you know it it's very logical there's

1219
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:21,280
i've never believed in the harbinger of

1220
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:23,040
the doom um

1221
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:25,680
theory um even though there are reports

1222
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:28,480
that have come from different places but

1223
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:31,119
that could also be strange coincidences

1224
00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:33,040
um and what you were talking about

1225
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:35,119
tobias um when you're talking about the

1226
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:36,960
membrane i mean

1227
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:38,720
the only thing i can kind of relate that

1228
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:41,280
to is if you've ever watched uh sharks

1229
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:43,200
when they're attacking something

1230
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:45,760
um great white sharks have white eyes

1231
00:45:50,230 --> 00:45:48,640
and when they roll back of membrane

1232
00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:50,240
right before the attack to protect their

1233
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:51,040
eye

1234
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:56,640
at that point it's just all it is is a

1235
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:58,640
protective membrane that they roll back

1236
00:46:01,910 --> 00:45:59,520
over

1237
00:46:03,990 --> 00:46:01,920
their eyes to protect them maybe just

1238
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:04,000
what this gentleman saw i mean

1239
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:05,920
i certainly would not be very happy to

1240
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:07,359
have somebody shining their headlights

1241
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:09,119
in my face um

1242
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:10,079
i would

1243
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:12,960
want to protect my eyes but

1244
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:15,839
it also can go back to the same thing um

1245
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:18,240
how many times have we seen pictures of

1246
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:20,160
uh

1247
00:46:24,309 --> 00:46:21,599
of um

1248
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:24,319
cats you know cats have

1249
00:46:29,190 --> 00:46:26,880
supposedly glowing yellow eyes glowing

1250
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:29,200
green eyes you know it's just the eyes

1251
00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:30,880
can reflect

1252
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:33,280
uh light they amplify light

1253
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:34,480
um

1254
00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:36,160
how many of us have ever taken pictures

1255
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:37,599
and the person looks like a possessed

1256
00:46:41,589 --> 00:46:39,359
demon because we're catching the

1257
00:46:43,750 --> 00:46:41,599
reflection of their blood vessel

1258
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:43,760
from behind their eyes maybe this is

1259
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:46,160
what they're seeing there's these eyes

1260
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:49,040
are maybe designed to amplify the light

1261
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:51,280
uh they gather it you know much like

1262
00:46:56,069 --> 00:46:53,440
they do with owls or certain owls out

1263
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:56,079
there that can see in certain ranges of

1264
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:58,319
the infrared spectrum

1265
00:47:01,829 --> 00:46:59,520
um

1266
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:01,839
maybe that's what they do they amplify

1267
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:04,480
the light you know a thousand fold

1268
00:47:08,710 --> 00:47:06,720
there's there are animals out there who

1269
00:47:10,950 --> 00:47:08,720
can see in wavelengths we can't even see

1270
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:10,960
um i believe it's mantis shrimp can see

1271
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:12,880
in 12 different wavelengths we can see

1272
00:47:15,430 --> 00:47:14,319
them before

1273
00:47:16,950 --> 00:47:15,440
uh

1274
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:16,960
you know they're they're seeing things

1275
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:18,400
that we've never seen they can see

1276
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:20,240
polarized light

1277
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:21,359
um

1278
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:23,760
we can't to us it's invisible infrared's

1279
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:25,599
invisible to us

1280
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:28,800
so maybe there's maybe biological

1281
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:30,400
reasons why

1282
00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:32,319
these creatures have different types of

1283
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:34,079
eyes it's not that they have glowing

1284
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:36,400
eyes but even though if they're coming

1285
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:39,200
from another world or an alien species

1286
00:47:44,549 --> 00:47:41,599
we might not know it but as far as what

1287
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:44,559
we know here about biology on earth

1288
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:46,160
maybe it could be any number of these

1289
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:48,160
reasons why their eyes are always

1290
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:50,160
different

1291
00:47:55,589 --> 00:47:52,480
you know the the statement also in that

1292
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:55,599
manifesto where the uh estates duties

1293
00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:57,760
have always been an o'hare location even

1294
00:48:01,270 --> 00:47:59,839
before the airport was built now you

1295
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:01,280
know manuel told me something i didn't

1296
00:48:06,549 --> 00:48:03,760
even know and i know the org i know the

1297
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:06,559
designation the faa designated for uh

1298
00:48:11,349 --> 00:48:08,880
o'hare is ord

1299
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:11,359
i never knew why well he told me why

1300
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:13,680
manuel tell us why that is

1301
00:48:18,549 --> 00:48:16,079
well before o'hare was built it was an

1302
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:18,559
orchard it was uh believe it an apple

1303
00:48:20,470 --> 00:48:19,520
orchard

1304
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:20,480
so

1305
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:22,640
this is what they that whole area the

1306
00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:25,040
entire uh

1307
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:27,359
you know width of o'hare was an apple

1308
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:29,119
orchard back in the day

1309
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:32,000
um so to kind of honor it they they

1310
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:33,520
named it you know they gave it the

1311
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:36,720
designation ord or orchard

1312
00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:37,680
um

1313
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:39,520
and like you talked about with ley lines

1314
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:40,880
these

1315
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:45,040
only wasn't the only cemetery on the

1316
00:48:49,589 --> 00:48:46,960
grounds of o'hare

1317
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:49,599
uh there was another one that was dug up

1318
00:48:54,549 --> 00:48:51,520
and moved before they started the

1319
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:54,559
expansion of o'hare um the only reason

1320
00:48:58,790 --> 00:48:56,640
they're not moving the west breasthavens

1321
00:49:00,790 --> 00:48:58,800
because some of those gravestones are

1322
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:00,800
over a hundred years old or it's

1323
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:04,000
basically a national historical monument

1324
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:04,960
um

1325
00:49:09,670 --> 00:49:07,520
but yeah there are and we were just

1326
00:49:12,309 --> 00:49:09,680
discussing this on the in the group

1327
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:12,319
um there are maps that we can that show

1328
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:14,160
there are ley lines that run right

1329
00:49:19,109 --> 00:49:16,240
through o'hare and right through

1330
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:21,030
yeah i i saw those maps and that you

1331
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:23,520
know we had an inkling that maybe there

1332
00:49:28,230 --> 00:49:25,920
there was lay line there um i mean in

1333
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:28,240
fact jennifer told me she thought

1334
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:30,640
there were at least three of them

1335
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:32,559
intersecting there but she wasn't really

1336
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:34,079
sure

1337
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:35,920
but when the map came up yeah i should

1338
00:49:39,270 --> 00:49:37,440
have gone right through the cemetery

1339
00:49:41,109 --> 00:49:39,280
right through that area and of course

1340
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:41,119
people i know the lead lines

1341
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:42,559
these things extend for hundreds of

1342
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:44,720
miles if not thousands of miles

1343
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:47,119
so this is going beyond the airport i

1344
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:48,880
think some of the designation of these

1345
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:51,440
lady lines was right there at the um

1346
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:53,760
right there at right downtown there at

1347
00:49:57,750 --> 00:49:55,040
the uh

1348
00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:57,760
at the shoreline of uh lake michigan if

1349
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:02,870
i believe on

1350
00:50:06,230 --> 00:50:04,480
if i remember right

1351
00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:06,240
some of the ley lines that are in

1352
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:09,760
chicago correspond with the streets

1353
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:11,760
the major streets such as michigan

1354
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:13,760
avenue

1355
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:15,680
and some of the other major streets of

1356
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:17,760
chicago because they're all laid out in

1357
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:19,440
a specific pattern

1358
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:20,480
um

1359
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:21,280
that

1360
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:23,040
really just um

1361
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:24,800
until you do some research and kind of

1362
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:27,119
the back story of it a lot of it is

1363
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:29,280
because you know they're saying people

1364
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:31,440
are saying they're following ley lines

1365
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:33,520
uh this is why a lot of these streets

1366
00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:36,079
are always so parallel to one another in

1367
00:50:42,069 --> 00:50:38,480
the city and they just just follow a

1368
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:42,079
totally different path um

1369
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:44,559
a lot of people say in elm grant park

1370
00:50:49,829 --> 00:50:47,359
the largest park in the city

1371
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:49,839
is bordered by two ley lines it sits in

1372
00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:55,990
well you know i gotta ask you this uh

1373
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:57,920
now i'm gonna ask the bias

1374
00:51:01,910 --> 00:50:59,920
what do you think we're in for do you do

1375
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:01,920
you think this is gonna evolve progress

1376
00:51:07,510 --> 00:51:04,640
or what what's your thoughts

1377
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:07,520
well i guess based on

1378
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:09,680
what historical information we have

1379
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:12,640
concerning uh of these sightings

1380
00:51:15,510 --> 00:51:13,920
um

1381
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:15,520
i think that

1382
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:17,280
um

1383
00:51:24,309 --> 00:51:20,400
we're probably in for a lot more of

1384
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:24,319
the same um in terms of what people are

1385
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:26,400
seeing what people are

1386
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:28,480
reporting uh you know i mean you're

1387
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:30,240
you're right when you mentioned before

1388
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:31,200
uh you know

1389
00:51:34,430 --> 00:51:33,040
there were some sightings going back

1390
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:34,440
into

1391
00:51:40,710 --> 00:51:37,440
2011 you know prior to when we we began

1392
00:51:42,069 --> 00:51:40,720
the 2017 investigation

1393
00:51:44,549 --> 00:51:42,079
and since then

1394
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:44,559
we have uh gathered

1395
00:51:48,069 --> 00:51:46,800
i don't know how many uh probably at

1396
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:48,079
least a

1397
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:50,400
couple of dozen of historical sightings

1398
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:52,800
that the oldest one i have goes back to

1399
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:55,520
1957 which is even before the

1400
00:51:59,990 --> 00:51:57,119
point pleasant stuff

1401
00:52:01,270 --> 00:52:00,000
and so looking at those those citing

1402
00:52:03,910 --> 00:52:01,280
reports

1403
00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:03,920
not much has changed uh people are still

1404
00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:05,359
reporting

1405
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:09,599
these experiences sort of in the the

1406
00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:12,800
same way that that they always have and

1407
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:14,240
most of the reason that they're

1408
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:15,920
reporting them now instead of back then

1409
00:52:18,630 --> 00:52:17,040
is because they didn't have anywhere to

1410
00:52:20,069 --> 00:52:18,640
go with them back then they weren't

1411
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:20,079
going to call the police

1412
00:52:24,150 --> 00:52:22,400
um it wasn't something that most people

1413
00:52:25,510 --> 00:52:24,160
were going to go to project blue book

1414
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:25,520
with or something you know there just

1415
00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:28,079
really wasn't any any reporting outlet

1416
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:29,440
um

1417
00:52:33,589 --> 00:52:30,800
and so i guess

1418
00:52:35,589 --> 00:52:33,599
uh just to to speculate on

1419
00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:35,599
um you know where things might go with

1420
00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:36,480
our

1421
00:52:41,829 --> 00:52:38,720
uh particular involvement if there is

1422
00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:41,839
some some direct uh interaction with

1423
00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:44,079
whatever these beings are well who's to

1424
00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:46,000
say um you know

1425
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:47,359
regardless

1426
00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:49,760
the likeliest outcome probably

1427
00:52:55,829 --> 00:52:53,200
is um for it to remain personal

1428
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:55,839
experiences whether those are our

1429
00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:57,599
experiences or

1430
00:53:01,829 --> 00:52:59,520
or you know the experiences of the

1431
00:53:03,430 --> 00:53:01,839
witness with the witnesses with whom we

1432
00:53:05,349 --> 00:53:03,440
speak um

1433
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:05,359
i you know there's no reason for me to

1434
00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:07,200
believe that that this is gonna step

1435
00:53:13,829 --> 00:53:10,720
outside of the realm of uh experiential

1436
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:13,839
phenomena at this point so i guess where

1437
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:15,280
i'm kind of going with that is anybody

1438
00:53:19,270 --> 00:53:16,800
who's waiting for

1439
00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:19,280
uh some giant bombshell that that proves

1440
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:21,040
it all to be true

1441
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:22,000
um

1442
00:53:25,349 --> 00:53:23,920
i i wouldn't wait around for that i i

1443
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:25,359
really wouldn't because i i don't know

1444
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:26,880
that that's the point it's never really

1445
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:28,559
seemed to be the point

1446
00:53:33,990 --> 00:53:31,680
it seems more that if there is some

1447
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:34,000
intention behind these sightings behind

1448
00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:36,480
these these interactions

1449
00:53:41,349 --> 00:53:39,040
it's more to uh

1450
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:41,359
elicit something from us

1451
00:53:48,309 --> 00:53:45,760
uh or or to observe us than it is uh to

1452
00:53:50,790 --> 00:53:48,319
to to prove something in a way that you

1453
00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:50,800
know mainstream science is is is gonna

1454
00:53:54,870 --> 00:53:53,440
take seriously i don't know that that is

1455
00:53:58,630 --> 00:53:54,880
an actual

1456
00:54:00,309 --> 00:53:58,640
uh uh priority for whatever we're we're

1457
00:54:01,190 --> 00:54:00,319
dealing with here so

1458
00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:01,200
um

1459
00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:04,640
you know beyond that uh i i don't know

1460
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:07,119
anything could happen yeah it's it's an

1461
00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:11,520
enigma course but you know i

1462
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:13,839
i mean i guess the the biggest question

1463
00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:14,880
we have

1464
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:16,240
as far as

1465
00:54:20,069 --> 00:54:18,800
these sightings is why is it happening

1466
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:20,079
and that we haven't really gotten

1467
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:21,040
anything

1468
00:54:25,270 --> 00:54:23,119
from that yet and i don't expect to get

1469
00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:25,280
anything for a while

1470
00:54:29,109 --> 00:54:27,440
uh if if they're going to continue to

1471
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:29,119
communicate with us

1472
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:30,400
or

1473
00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:31,200
you know

1474
00:54:34,549 --> 00:54:32,960
in the way they have been i think it may

1475
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:34,559
take a while let's see but the biggest

1476
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:37,359
thing that worries me now

1477
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:39,520
is here we are presenting this

1478
00:54:43,589 --> 00:54:41,440
information

1479
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:43,599
you know we're putting it out there

1480
00:54:46,630 --> 00:54:44,880
and then we're going to have other

1481
00:54:48,789 --> 00:54:46,640
people coming up and saying oh yeah i

1482
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:48,799
had the same experience i had this i had

1483
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:50,720
that you know it's gonna be

1484
00:54:54,870 --> 00:54:52,319
you know they're gonna it's gonna try to

1485
00:54:57,190 --> 00:54:54,880
convolute the whole the whole thing and

1486
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:57,200
i'm hoping that doesn't happen

1487
00:55:02,789 --> 00:54:59,520
uh but you know of course you're gonna

1488
00:55:04,829 --> 00:55:02,799
get copyright catch this type of thing

1489
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:04,839
always happens you know welcome to the

1490
00:55:09,510 --> 00:55:06,960
paranormal um

1491
00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:09,520
and emmanuel was noting also earlier

1492
00:55:13,109 --> 00:55:12,160
about all the people that he saw out

1493
00:55:16,069 --> 00:55:13,119
there

1494
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:16,079
um can you talk about that manuel

1495
00:55:21,190 --> 00:55:19,280
well i mean when i went out there to uh

1496
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:21,200
just after their first sightings

1497
00:55:24,069 --> 00:55:22,640
um

1498
00:55:26,549 --> 00:55:24,079
i was actually keeping in touch with the

1499
00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:26,559
teams i was recording everything i was

1500
00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:28,160
out there with my son

1501
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:30,640
and there must have been at least

1502
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:32,880
eight other groups out there

1503
00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:36,400
uh investigating um

1504
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:39,520
and some of them were just um

1505
00:55:43,510 --> 00:55:41,520
one group was out there in a jeep with a

1506
00:55:44,309 --> 00:55:43,520
bunch of antennas hanging out

1507
00:55:46,069 --> 00:55:44,319
uh

1508
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:46,079
running around the airport and around

1509
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:49,760
the perimeter um because i remember

1510
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:52,079
very clearly they got in trouble uh

1511
00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:53,440
because

1512
00:55:57,030 --> 00:55:54,960
right where the

1513
00:55:59,349 --> 00:55:57,040
the uh sightings happen that little

1514
00:56:00,549 --> 00:55:59,359
curve in the road if you go all the way

1515
00:56:01,910 --> 00:56:00,559
to the end of the curve you're going to

1516
00:56:04,309 --> 00:56:01,920
run into a

1517
00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:04,319
restricted area and on the other side is

1518
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:05,440
where the uh

1519
00:56:09,829 --> 00:56:07,680
the usps facility and a couple of other

1520
00:56:11,349 --> 00:56:09,839
like uh facilities are go there's also

1521
00:56:14,230 --> 00:56:11,359
tunnels that lead

1522
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:14,240
under the airport in that area so

1523
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:16,880
you have on both sides of the of the

1524
00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:18,640
road uh

1525
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:21,440
are guard points and they're guarded 24

1526
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:22,319
7.

1527
00:56:28,470 --> 00:56:23,520
um

1528
00:56:30,789 --> 00:56:28,480
them getting trouble because they

1529
00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:30,799
crossed over there and i guess

1530
00:56:34,789 --> 00:56:32,960
they had to be escorted around you have

1531
00:56:36,549 --> 00:56:34,799
to kind of go around

1532
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:36,559
up and around so they can turn you

1533
00:56:40,870 --> 00:56:38,880
around so you can go back out the other

1534
00:56:42,549 --> 00:56:40,880
side but you're done

1535
00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:42,559
when they do that they have an escort

1536
00:56:46,150 --> 00:56:44,720
for you that does it

1537
00:56:47,829 --> 00:56:46,160
um

1538
00:56:49,990 --> 00:56:47,839
you know these guys are not they don't

1539
00:56:51,270 --> 00:56:50,000
they take security very seriously at

1540
00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:51,280
this airport

1541
00:56:55,030 --> 00:56:52,799
um

1542
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:55,040
and then about a week later

1543
00:56:59,430 --> 00:56:57,520
um somebody got

1544
00:57:00,950 --> 00:56:59,440
kicked out of the airport this group of

1545
00:57:03,270 --> 00:57:00,960
investigators because they were flying

1546
00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:03,280
drones over the fence lines

1547
00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:04,559
um

1548
00:57:09,430 --> 00:57:06,880
here's a tidbit for advice for you guys

1549
00:57:11,990 --> 00:57:09,440
and i have nothing with i the more the

1550
00:57:14,549 --> 00:57:12,000
merrier the better way to find the truth

1551
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:14,559
but please be careful o'hare is not a

1552
00:57:19,109 --> 00:57:16,880
playground it it's like i said one of

1553
00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:19,119
the top three most busiest airports in

1554
00:57:21,030 --> 00:57:20,160
the world

1555
00:57:23,750 --> 00:57:21,040
and

1556
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:23,760
flying over the fence line with a drone

1557
00:57:30,309 --> 00:57:28,079
is a big no-no um that's about ranked up

1558
00:57:32,309 --> 00:57:30,319
there with trying to climb the fence

1559
00:57:33,670 --> 00:57:32,319
uh which we've had we've had how many

1560
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:33,680
how many reports have we had of people

1561
00:57:37,990 --> 00:57:35,440
getting arrested or thrown out of the

1562
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:38,000
airport because they climbed the fence

1563
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:38,880
um

1564
00:57:42,150 --> 00:57:40,480
that's how you end up in a detention

1565
00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:42,160
cell or we're shot

1566
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:44,880
um for doing especially in a post 911

1567
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:45,839
world

1568
00:57:49,270 --> 00:57:47,520
um

1569
00:57:50,789 --> 00:57:49,280
please be careful when you're out there

1570
00:57:53,109 --> 00:57:50,799
but there have been and this is what

1571
00:57:55,349 --> 00:57:53,119
worries me about this like he said you

1572
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:55,359
know you can have people going out there

1573
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:57,520
wresthaven is a

1574
00:58:00,789 --> 00:57:59,440
monument a lot of these places a lot of

1575
00:58:02,470 --> 00:58:00,799
these stones out there are over a

1576
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:02,480
hundred years old

1577
00:58:06,829 --> 00:58:03,839
um

1578
00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:06,839
please be respectful if you're out there

1579
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:09,359
um you know we

1580
00:58:14,309 --> 00:58:12,240
follow protocols as a tobias i know for

1581
00:58:16,390 --> 00:58:14,319
a fact device does i know that don does

1582
00:58:17,190 --> 00:58:16,400
i know everybody on the team does

1583
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:17,200
um

1584
00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:19,200
senior according to all of us have

1585
00:58:24,069 --> 00:58:21,440
standards we have procedures that we

1586
00:58:26,470 --> 00:58:24,079
have to follow to maintain uh the

1587
00:58:27,430 --> 00:58:26,480
sterility of an environment that we go

1588
00:58:28,309 --> 00:58:27,440
into

1589
00:58:30,390 --> 00:58:28,319
um

1590
00:58:31,750 --> 00:58:30,400
don't be the ass that gives the rest of

1591
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:31,760
us a bad name

1592
00:58:34,309 --> 00:58:32,640
uh

1593
00:58:36,069 --> 00:58:34,319
by going out there and

1594
00:58:38,390 --> 00:58:36,079
you know messing something up some of

1595
00:58:39,270 --> 00:58:38,400
these stones are very fragile

1596
00:58:41,190 --> 00:58:39,280
um

1597
00:58:42,069 --> 00:58:41,200
and this is what i worry about like you

1598
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:42,079
said

1599
00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:44,079
other people were out there that day

1600
00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:45,680
they were out there you know

1601
00:58:50,309 --> 00:58:48,000
actively investigating great hey the

1602
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:50,319
more the merrier you know maybe somebody

1603
00:58:54,470 --> 00:58:52,000
will find the truth and every little bit

1604
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:54,480
helps but when you're doing it the wrong

1605
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:55,599
way

1606
00:58:57,910 --> 00:58:56,400
um

1607
00:58:59,990 --> 00:58:57,920
you're going to end up getting yourself

1608
00:59:02,150 --> 00:59:00,000
in trouble this where this siding

1609
00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:02,160
happened the control tower is less than

1610
00:59:05,430 --> 00:59:04,400
100 yards away

1611
00:59:07,270 --> 00:59:05,440
it's

1612
00:59:08,710 --> 00:59:07,280
they're not going to take lightly to you

1613
00:59:11,030 --> 00:59:08,720
coming up to the fence

1614
00:59:13,349 --> 00:59:11,040
uh when there's a plane right there

1615
00:59:15,270 --> 00:59:13,359
uh that's being unloaded or the control

1616
00:59:17,430 --> 00:59:15,280
tower not too far away you will have

1617
00:59:19,829 --> 00:59:17,440
responses and there are immediate

1618
00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:19,839
uh we were out there and within 30

1619
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:22,400
seconds we were seeing security vehicles

1620
00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:23,680
out there already

1621
00:59:27,109 --> 00:59:25,440
patrolling the area they had already set

1622
00:59:30,309 --> 00:59:27,119
up mobile uh

1623
00:59:33,190 --> 00:59:30,319
remote viewing stations out there uh

1624
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:33,200
little like little viewing camp or

1625
00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:35,040
platform for generators and cameras to

1626
00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:37,839
keep an eye on just the influx of people

1627
00:59:41,109 --> 00:59:38,880
um

1628
00:59:43,270 --> 00:59:41,119
some of these places they don't want you

1629
00:59:44,390 --> 00:59:43,280
on their property and

1630
00:59:47,030 --> 00:59:44,400
um

1631
00:59:49,990 --> 00:59:47,040
i have like i've told you guys before i

1632
00:59:52,150 --> 00:59:50,000
have credentials i am uh

1633
00:59:54,390 --> 00:59:52,160
you know i work for a trucking company

1634
00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:54,400
so i've been out there to the airport

1635
00:59:59,190 --> 00:59:56,640
you know to you know

1636
01:00:00,789 --> 00:59:59,200
hand paperwork to my drivers or to

1637
01:00:03,190 --> 01:00:00,799
you know pick up loads i've been after

1638
01:00:06,069 --> 01:00:03,200
myself to do them i have credentials to

1639
01:00:09,030 --> 01:00:06,079
be out there um i can show them they can

1640
01:00:10,069 --> 01:00:09,040
call my employer and verify who i am

1641
01:00:11,990 --> 01:00:10,079
um

1642
01:00:13,990 --> 01:00:12,000
if you don't have the credentials do not

1643
01:00:14,789 --> 01:00:14,000
go up to one of these facilities and try

1644
01:00:20,069 --> 01:00:14,799
to

1645
01:00:21,750 --> 01:00:20,079
uh

1646
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:21,760
you know there's a proper way to do an

1647
01:00:26,470 --> 01:00:24,240
investigation um

1648
01:00:29,270 --> 01:00:26,480
if you have questions ask one of us you

1649
01:00:30,549 --> 01:00:29,280
know i'm sure don i'm sure to bias any

1650
01:00:31,990 --> 01:00:30,559
one of us is more than willing to share

1651
01:00:35,349 --> 01:00:32,000
their knowledge to the next new

1652
01:00:39,750 --> 01:00:37,349
um yeah we got a question man well can

1653
01:00:43,270 --> 01:00:39,760
you uh tell the chat what you saw when

1654
01:00:45,829 --> 01:00:43,280
you say other people investigating it

1655
01:00:47,589 --> 01:00:45,839
they were out there um you know taking

1656
01:00:49,589 --> 01:00:47,599
camera you know pictures they were

1657
01:00:50,470 --> 01:00:49,599
tested taking uh

1658
01:00:52,230 --> 01:00:50,480
you know

1659
01:00:54,069 --> 01:00:52,240
photographs videotaping they were out

1660
01:00:56,789 --> 01:00:54,079
there doing uh somebody was out there

1661
01:00:58,069 --> 01:00:56,799
looked like they were doing a you know

1662
01:00:59,589 --> 01:00:58,079
little interview or something with

1663
01:01:02,150 --> 01:00:59,599
themselves he had

1664
01:01:03,990 --> 01:01:02,160
people out there with a camera uh this

1665
01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:04,000
group that was in the jeep i really

1666
01:01:07,510 --> 01:01:05,760
wanted to know because

1667
01:01:09,670 --> 01:01:07,520
these were camp these were antennas that

1668
01:01:11,030 --> 01:01:09,680
were designed to like um

1669
01:01:13,990 --> 01:01:11,040
either they're one of those people that

1670
01:01:16,230 --> 01:01:14,000
like to listen in to the to the uh

1671
01:01:18,710 --> 01:01:16,240
to the airport to chatter between the

1672
01:01:21,030 --> 01:01:18,720
pilots with i mean why have the cameras

1673
01:01:22,230 --> 01:01:21,040
you have apps i can download

1674
01:01:26,309 --> 01:01:22,240
um

1675
01:01:28,309 --> 01:01:26,319
but you know you can take a regular

1676
01:01:29,829 --> 01:01:28,319
scanner out there and pick all that up

1677
01:01:32,069 --> 01:01:29,839
yeah

1678
01:01:34,870 --> 01:01:32,079
it's a public it's a public

1679
01:01:36,630 --> 01:01:34,880
radio station you can pick it up online

1680
01:01:38,390 --> 01:01:36,640
you can get the information but these

1681
01:01:40,390 --> 01:01:38,400
were like very

1682
01:01:42,789 --> 01:01:40,400
high gain antennas you know they had

1683
01:01:44,870 --> 01:01:42,799
laptops in the back i

1684
01:01:46,710 --> 01:01:44,880
you know they were

1685
01:01:49,430 --> 01:01:46,720
running they'd run a course where they

1686
01:01:51,750 --> 01:01:49,440
would go to the end where the

1687
01:01:54,710 --> 01:01:51,760
where the main road is turn around come

1688
01:01:55,670 --> 01:01:54,720
back and go all the way back over and i

1689
01:01:57,910 --> 01:01:55,680
guess

1690
01:01:59,750 --> 01:01:57,920
in that one trip someone miscalculated

1691
01:02:01,910 --> 01:01:59,760
the where they were and got themselves

1692
01:02:04,470 --> 01:02:01,920
in trouble with security but

1693
01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:04,480
i saw them pass at least six or seven

1694
01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:06,960
times i had people out there that were

1695
01:02:10,789 --> 01:02:08,880
going right up to the fence while a

1696
01:02:13,270 --> 01:02:10,799
plane is being unloaded

1697
01:02:15,109 --> 01:02:13,280
uh taking pictures they were doing like

1698
01:02:16,789 --> 01:02:15,119
little interviews um

1699
01:02:17,589 --> 01:02:16,799
they were standing across the street at

1700
01:02:22,549 --> 01:02:17,599
the

1701
01:02:23,430 --> 01:02:22,559
facility you know taking pictures

1702
01:02:25,270 --> 01:02:23,440
um

1703
01:02:27,109 --> 01:02:25,280
and it's good to see other investigators

1704
01:02:29,029 --> 01:02:27,119
out there you know other investigators

1705
01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:29,039
you know doing this but

1706
01:02:32,549 --> 01:02:30,960
it's when you get the

1707
01:02:34,069 --> 01:02:32,559
select few like the ones a week

1708
01:02:35,270 --> 01:02:34,079
afterwards who wouldn't get themselves

1709
01:02:37,990 --> 01:02:35,280
in trouble

1710
01:02:39,990 --> 01:02:38,000
that you know you have uh

1711
01:02:42,230 --> 01:02:40,000
that causes problems that causes when

1712
01:02:43,910 --> 01:02:42,240
you that causes crackdowns

1713
01:02:46,230 --> 01:02:43,920
um

1714
01:02:48,470 --> 01:02:46,240
right now security is not our friend

1715
01:02:51,430 --> 01:02:48,480
when it comes to these airport sightings

1716
01:02:53,510 --> 01:02:51,440
uh they are very re they have very very

1717
01:02:55,029 --> 01:02:53,520
quick response times and they're usually

1718
01:02:56,549 --> 01:02:55,039
very aggressive

1719
01:02:57,589 --> 01:02:56,559
when they come to you

1720
01:03:00,549 --> 01:02:57,599
um

1721
01:03:03,829 --> 01:03:00,559
be respectful that has evolved too as

1722
01:03:06,870 --> 01:03:03,839
time has gone on yes very much uh the

1723
01:03:09,349 --> 01:03:06,880
one gentleman who uh had the sighting

1724
01:03:11,029 --> 01:03:09,359
that got out of the airport

1725
01:03:13,029 --> 01:03:11,039
uh or out of his car to try to take a

1726
01:03:14,710 --> 01:03:13,039
picture they were on top of him within

1727
01:03:16,150 --> 01:03:14,720
seconds and they were being very

1728
01:03:18,470 --> 01:03:16,160
forceful get in your car and get the

1729
01:03:21,589 --> 01:03:18,480
hell out of here well let's let's talk

1730
01:03:24,630 --> 01:03:21,599
about july 22nd um

1731
01:03:27,270 --> 01:03:24,640
that seems to be the sighting

1732
01:03:28,390 --> 01:03:27,280
where all this is kind of blown up in

1733
01:03:30,789 --> 01:03:28,400
our you know

1734
01:03:33,190 --> 01:03:30,799
where we're getting multiple witnesses

1735
01:03:35,510 --> 01:03:33,200
from different locations i think you

1736
01:03:37,270 --> 01:03:35,520
know we had united employees we had

1737
01:03:39,510 --> 01:03:37,280
fedex employees

1738
01:03:42,710 --> 01:03:39,520
um

1739
01:03:45,910 --> 01:03:42,720
the course we had at least seven

1740
01:03:47,109 --> 01:03:45,920
vehicles from tsa that emerged on this

1741
01:03:48,470 --> 01:03:47,119
beam

1742
01:03:50,870 --> 01:03:48,480
um

1743
01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:50,880
they had it all lit up

1744
01:03:56,069 --> 01:03:53,920
we like you said we had the um

1745
01:03:58,870 --> 01:03:56,079
the cargo people who had called into the

1746
01:04:02,230 --> 01:03:58,880
supervisor and called into tsa

1747
01:04:03,990 --> 01:04:02,240
and got them out there immediately

1748
01:04:06,710 --> 01:04:04,000
of course like you said it's very close

1749
01:04:08,630 --> 01:04:06,720
to the tower the towers right there

1750
01:04:10,789 --> 01:04:08,640
when we had the uh we had the air

1751
01:04:12,549 --> 01:04:10,799
traffic controller have the sighting it

1752
01:04:14,309 --> 01:04:12,559
was right there as well

1753
01:04:15,510 --> 01:04:14,319
so we've had a lot of sightings in this

1754
01:04:17,990 --> 01:04:15,520
area

1755
01:04:20,789 --> 01:04:18,000
so uh tobias i mean if you want to kind

1756
01:04:23,829 --> 01:04:20,799
of break down what happened on the 22nd

1757
01:04:25,430 --> 01:04:23,839
if you want to and give us an idea

1758
01:04:27,510 --> 01:04:25,440
i know you just posted something

1759
01:04:29,190 --> 01:04:27,520
recently of an update uh

1760
01:04:31,349 --> 01:04:29,200
what's your thoughts on all this this

1761
01:04:33,829 --> 01:04:31,359
sighting

1762
01:04:36,870 --> 01:04:33,839
oh sure well i you know my understanding

1763
01:04:40,230 --> 01:04:36,880
of what transpired on the the 22nd and i

1764
01:04:42,549 --> 01:04:40,240
think manuel probably is uh more

1765
01:04:44,710 --> 01:04:42,559
knowledgeable than anybody in terms of

1766
01:04:46,150 --> 01:04:44,720
really understanding uh what people have

1767
01:04:47,910 --> 01:04:46,160
been reporting but but my understanding

1768
01:04:51,029 --> 01:04:47,920
of it was

1769
01:04:53,349 --> 01:04:51,039
that uh there was a sighting of a

1770
01:04:56,150 --> 01:04:53,359
winged humanoid outside of the fence

1771
01:04:58,309 --> 01:04:56,160
there that elicited a security response

1772
01:05:00,549 --> 01:04:58,319
i was seen by multiple employees of the

1773
01:05:02,069 --> 01:05:00,559
o'hare international airport

1774
01:05:04,230 --> 01:05:02,079
and um

1775
01:05:06,390 --> 01:05:04,240
and people keep

1776
01:05:08,150 --> 01:05:06,400
reporting it now the

1777
01:05:10,549 --> 01:05:08,160
the thing that i i think you were

1778
01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:10,559
referencing is uh you know i've i've had

1779
01:05:14,470 --> 01:05:11,760
a good

1780
01:05:16,230 --> 01:05:14,480
uh working relationship with uh sam

1781
01:05:19,589 --> 01:05:16,240
moronto the

1782
01:05:22,950 --> 01:05:19,599
the state director of uh the mutual ufo

1783
01:05:25,990 --> 01:05:22,960
network down in illinois and you know so

1784
01:05:28,549 --> 01:05:26,000
when that happened uh one of the

1785
01:05:29,990 --> 01:05:28,559
the sighting reports actually uh was

1786
01:05:32,390 --> 01:05:30,000
picked up by

1787
01:05:34,549 --> 01:05:32,400
by mufon well it was it was submitted to

1788
01:05:37,510 --> 01:05:34,559
mufon and so it they came through their

1789
01:05:40,309 --> 01:05:37,520
their case management system and uh

1790
01:05:43,190 --> 01:05:40,319
manuel saw it and posted it and

1791
01:05:45,029 --> 01:05:43,200
and so i i had included it in in one of

1792
01:05:47,270 --> 01:05:45,039
our articles as well and so of course i

1793
01:05:49,670 --> 01:05:47,280
reached out to sam and i said hey what

1794
01:05:51,109 --> 01:05:49,680
can you tell me about uh this uh

1795
01:05:52,950 --> 01:05:51,119
investigation you know like what's

1796
01:05:53,910 --> 01:05:52,960
what's going on with this so

1797
01:05:55,589 --> 01:05:53,920
um

1798
01:05:57,430 --> 01:05:55,599
you know he was very he's always been

1799
01:06:00,309 --> 01:05:57,440
very you know forthright

1800
01:06:01,910 --> 01:06:00,319
with me in terms of of what they are are

1801
01:06:04,150 --> 01:06:01,920
trying to do

1802
01:06:05,990 --> 01:06:04,160
and uh he told me that uh they had an

1803
01:06:07,510 --> 01:06:06,000
investigator who had reached out to this

1804
01:06:10,390 --> 01:06:07,520
particular witness

1805
01:06:12,789 --> 01:06:10,400
and they had exchanged emails

1806
01:06:15,270 --> 01:06:12,799
uh and then uh they they never heard

1807
01:06:17,829 --> 01:06:15,280
back from them i think the final email

1808
01:06:19,510 --> 01:06:17,839
uh was in regards to this particular

1809
01:06:22,069 --> 01:06:19,520
witnesses uh

1810
01:06:24,470 --> 01:06:22,079
phone number which uh which uh sam said

1811
01:06:26,390 --> 01:06:24,480
that they had tried and it wasn't

1812
01:06:28,789 --> 01:06:26,400
an actual phone number or it was the

1813
01:06:30,630 --> 01:06:28,799
wrong phone number um

1814
01:06:33,430 --> 01:06:30,640
they couldn't find any any record of

1815
01:06:35,430 --> 01:06:33,440
this person's name has submitted it or

1816
01:06:37,589 --> 01:06:35,440
anything like that and well

1817
01:06:41,029 --> 01:06:37,599
what was interesting to me then

1818
01:06:43,829 --> 01:06:41,039
is that this witness um

1819
01:06:44,789 --> 01:06:43,839
actually contacted somebody on our our

1820
01:06:46,710 --> 01:06:44,799
team

1821
01:06:48,710 --> 01:06:46,720
and was was interviewed over the phone

1822
01:06:50,789 --> 01:06:48,720
which was something that that that mufon

1823
01:06:52,390 --> 01:06:50,799
was was not able to how many times has

1824
01:06:54,150 --> 01:06:52,400
that happened

1825
01:06:56,549 --> 01:06:54,160
well that was the interesting thing it's

1826
01:06:59,510 --> 01:06:56,559
i mean that's at least the second time

1827
01:07:01,589 --> 01:06:59,520
yeah at least yeah

1828
01:07:03,589 --> 01:07:01,599
and somebody goes back and forth billy

1829
01:07:04,789 --> 01:07:03,599
bands back in uh

1830
01:07:07,270 --> 01:07:04,799
uh

1831
01:07:09,510 --> 01:07:07,280
you know with the thing near midway out

1832
01:07:11,349 --> 01:07:09,520
there in cicero he uh

1833
01:07:13,349 --> 01:07:11,359
same thing with him and you know they

1834
01:07:15,750 --> 01:07:13,359
had he had issues with

1835
01:07:17,750 --> 01:07:15,760
with mufon and a lot of these other

1836
01:07:21,990 --> 01:07:17,760
witnesses did as well

1837
01:07:24,069 --> 01:07:22,000
i i just don't understand why mufon

1838
01:07:25,750 --> 01:07:24,079
is so cut and dry on this where they've

1839
01:07:27,670 --> 01:07:25,760
got to have phone numbers they've got to

1840
01:07:29,990 --> 01:07:27,680
have this there are other ways of

1841
01:07:31,109 --> 01:07:30,000
interviewing people you know

1842
01:07:32,950 --> 01:07:31,119
and

1843
01:07:35,430 --> 01:07:32,960
i don't know who the investigators the

1844
01:07:38,230 --> 01:07:35,440
field investigators are for

1845
01:07:39,910 --> 01:07:38,240
for mufon illinois that go to these

1846
01:07:42,789 --> 01:07:39,920
places and talk are supposed to be

1847
01:07:44,950 --> 01:07:42,799
talking to these people

1848
01:07:46,630 --> 01:07:44,960
but they're not getting a good response

1849
01:07:48,309 --> 01:07:46,640
from them and they're actually the

1850
01:07:50,069 --> 01:07:48,319
witnesses are getting upset and they

1851
01:07:51,829 --> 01:07:50,079
come to us

1852
01:07:53,510 --> 01:07:51,839
uh and that has happened many times

1853
01:07:56,069 --> 01:07:53,520
that's something that i had considered i

1854
01:07:57,430 --> 01:07:56,079
i know the name of the investigator i'm

1855
01:07:59,990 --> 01:07:57,440
i'm not going to call him out or

1856
01:08:03,990 --> 01:08:02,549
but uh yeah i know i mean i wha whatever

1857
01:08:07,270 --> 01:08:04,000
he's doing because i i want to say it

1858
01:08:09,270 --> 01:08:07,280
was the same guy at least twice

1859
01:08:12,390 --> 01:08:09,280
so whatever he's doing

1860
01:08:14,549 --> 01:08:12,400
it doesn't seem to be working and uh you

1861
01:08:16,470 --> 01:08:14,559
know i remember from my time in in mufan

1862
01:08:18,390 --> 01:08:16,480
as a field investigator it's not like

1863
01:08:19,910 --> 01:08:18,400
there's any kind of auditing process

1864
01:08:21,510 --> 01:08:19,920
that ever happens like nobody's looking

1865
01:08:24,870 --> 01:08:21,520
over your shoulder

1866
01:08:27,030 --> 01:08:24,880
watching you conduct investigations so

1867
01:08:29,269 --> 01:08:27,040
at a certain point i have to wonder if

1868
01:08:31,110 --> 01:08:29,279
there isn't just you know one or two

1869
01:08:32,070 --> 01:08:31,120
investigators down there

1870
01:08:35,269 --> 01:08:32,080
who

1871
01:08:37,030 --> 01:08:35,279
don't have a very good investigatory

1872
01:08:38,870 --> 01:08:37,040
bedside manner they're not great with

1873
01:08:41,430 --> 01:08:38,880
people they trade interviews like

1874
01:08:44,229 --> 01:08:41,440
interrogations or something and and it's

1875
01:08:47,030 --> 01:08:44,239
just off-putting um because it certainly

1876
01:08:49,510 --> 01:08:47,040
seems to be turning witnesses off uh

1877
01:08:52,550 --> 01:08:49,520
which you know more the better for us

1878
01:08:54,390 --> 01:08:52,560
because then then they they find us and

1879
01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:54,400
and uh and we can interview them

1880
01:08:58,070 --> 01:08:56,640
directly that way but um but it's too

1881
01:08:59,430 --> 01:08:58,080
bad because

1882
01:09:01,590 --> 01:08:59,440
i think that

1883
01:09:03,110 --> 01:09:01,600
if mufon were able to interview some of

1884
01:09:05,669 --> 01:09:03,120
these witnesses

1885
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:05,679
then um you know they would they would

1886
01:09:09,749 --> 01:09:07,920
be able to lend some credibility you

1887
01:09:11,990 --> 01:09:09,759
know to to the

1888
01:09:14,149 --> 01:09:12,000
the reports just having them you know

1889
01:09:15,910 --> 01:09:14,159
interviewed by by multiple organizations

1890
01:09:17,669 --> 01:09:15,920
you know other than the the

1891
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:17,679
organizations we currently have you know

1892
01:09:22,470 --> 01:09:20,400
working together which is well if i

1893
01:09:24,550 --> 01:09:22,480
remember right there was the there was

1894
01:09:26,709 --> 01:09:24,560
the incident with the uh

1895
01:09:29,269 --> 01:09:26,719
the one uh rideshare driver i believe

1896
01:09:31,110 --> 01:09:29,279
that was rosemont and he was waiting for

1897
01:09:32,070 --> 01:09:31,120
something and they were interviewed by

1898
01:09:35,669 --> 01:09:32,080
uh

1899
01:09:37,669 --> 01:09:35,679
have to give your name you have to give

1900
01:09:40,950 --> 01:09:37,679
your information and we're going to

1901
01:09:43,030 --> 01:09:40,960
publish it and he he had a really bad he

1902
01:09:44,630 --> 01:09:43,040
left a really bad impression and he even

1903
01:09:46,950 --> 01:09:44,640
contacted us

1904
01:09:48,550 --> 01:09:46,960
about it trust me i'd love to afford i'd

1905
01:09:50,709 --> 01:09:48,560
love for them to be able to corroborate

1906
01:09:52,630 --> 01:09:50,719
the evidence you know

1907
01:09:53,749 --> 01:09:52,640
you know i have nothing against mufon i

1908
01:09:55,910 --> 01:09:53,759
mean

1909
01:09:59,189 --> 01:09:55,920
what happened happened with you know

1910
01:10:01,030 --> 01:09:59,199
internally that's their problem um but i

1911
01:10:03,590 --> 01:10:01,040
have nothing against him i've followed

1912
01:10:05,350 --> 01:10:03,600
mufon since i was a child and you know

1913
01:10:07,110 --> 01:10:05,360
um

1914
01:10:08,790 --> 01:10:07,120
it's i would love to have them

1915
01:10:11,030 --> 01:10:08,800
corroborate the evidence it just helps

1916
01:10:13,669 --> 01:10:11,040
lend credibility to what we're doing

1917
01:10:16,390 --> 01:10:13,679
but you can't approach these people like

1918
01:10:17,430 --> 01:10:16,400
you know like some you know crime series

1919
01:10:19,189 --> 01:10:17,440
on tv

1920
01:10:20,870 --> 01:10:19,199
you know these people are not criminals

1921
01:10:23,669 --> 01:10:20,880
they're they're witnesses to something

1922
01:10:26,709 --> 01:10:23,679
that's going on

1923
01:10:29,270 --> 01:10:26,719
yeah i i i've always been

1924
01:10:32,070 --> 01:10:29,280
put off by this whole thing uh with them

1925
01:10:33,990 --> 01:10:32,080
and entity sightings um

1926
01:10:36,470 --> 01:10:34,000
it just seems that they're

1927
01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:36,480
so gun gun shy when it comes to that

1928
01:10:40,870 --> 01:10:37,920
either that or they just don't want to

1929
01:10:42,229 --> 01:10:40,880
be bothered with it now

1930
01:10:44,229 --> 01:10:42,239
of course they have people within the

1931
01:10:45,030 --> 01:10:44,239
organization

1932
01:10:49,110 --> 01:10:45,040
that

1933
01:10:50,870 --> 01:10:49,120
so i think kathleen martin's one of them

1934
01:10:52,390 --> 01:10:50,880
they've had other people that have been

1935
01:10:55,430 --> 01:10:52,400
involved with this

1936
01:10:57,750 --> 01:10:55,440
you know but and i i know a few of them

1937
01:10:59,750 --> 01:10:57,760
and i'm friends with a few of them but

1938
01:11:02,709 --> 01:10:59,760
they're almost stumped to be honest with

1939
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:02,719
you i mean you know you ask them why do

1940
01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:04,320
they

1941
01:11:10,790 --> 01:11:07,440
not take entity sightings seriously i

1942
01:11:13,350 --> 01:11:10,800
mean it's part of ufology is mufon

1943
01:11:16,470 --> 01:11:13,360
just interested in the nuts and bolts of

1944
01:11:18,709 --> 01:11:16,480
a craft or is it interested in

1945
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:18,719
in everything that's party of followed

1946
01:11:22,470 --> 01:11:20,880
they're a part of the actual

1947
01:11:24,630 --> 01:11:22,480
report itself

1948
01:11:28,630 --> 01:11:24,640
and it just seems that they just are not

1949
01:11:33,830 --> 01:11:31,110
it it definitely does um and you know

1950
01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:33,840
that was sort of my uh experience when i

1951
01:11:40,470 --> 01:11:36,480
was a field investigator with the uh the

1952
01:11:42,390 --> 01:11:40,480
wisconsin uh branch of mufon as well

1953
01:11:44,390 --> 01:11:42,400
every once in a while you know i would i

1954
01:11:46,390 --> 01:11:44,400
would get handed a

1955
01:11:48,550 --> 01:11:46,400
report by somebody who you know would

1956
01:11:50,790 --> 01:11:48,560
have claimed to interact to interact

1957
01:11:52,950 --> 01:11:50,800
with some entity or something and um

1958
01:11:54,790 --> 01:11:52,960
it really wasn't anything that

1959
01:11:57,750 --> 01:11:54,800
that anybody in the organization seemed

1960
01:12:00,149 --> 01:11:57,760
to take particularly seriously um which

1961
01:12:01,910 --> 01:12:00,159
was too bad because some of these cases

1962
01:12:03,510 --> 01:12:01,920
were actually very very compelling uh

1963
01:12:05,430 --> 01:12:03,520
one point i do want to make very clear

1964
01:12:09,669 --> 01:12:05,440
to everybody

1965
01:12:10,470 --> 01:12:09,679
is that in terms of uh buying witnesses

1966
01:12:13,510 --> 01:12:10,480
uh

1967
01:12:15,350 --> 01:12:13,520
identities and and their st and the

1968
01:12:17,430 --> 01:12:15,360
details of their stories that is

1969
01:12:19,510 --> 01:12:17,440
something that you know i i personally

1970
01:12:21,590 --> 01:12:19,520
and i think everybody else does take

1971
01:12:24,070 --> 01:12:21,600
very seriously so that is something that

1972
01:12:26,070 --> 01:12:24,080
happens behind the scenes the difference

1973
01:12:28,630 --> 01:12:26,080
i think is that mufon

1974
01:12:31,270 --> 01:12:28,640
wants to be able to publish that

1975
01:12:33,350 --> 01:12:31,280
material and witnesses don't always want

1976
01:12:35,189 --> 01:12:33,360
that publicly

1977
01:12:37,030 --> 01:12:35,199
available a lot of people you know have

1978
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:37,040
have careers and families and things and

1979
01:12:42,070 --> 01:12:39,120
they don't really want to be embroiled

1980
01:12:44,630 --> 01:12:42,080
in some paranormal mystery and so they

1981
01:12:46,149 --> 01:12:44,640
are fine telling me their name and their

1982
01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:46,159
age and where they live and where they

1983
01:12:50,149 --> 01:12:48,000
work and everything else and i can

1984
01:12:51,990 --> 01:12:50,159
verify all of that info to at least know

1985
01:12:54,470 --> 01:12:52,000
that they are who they say they are

1986
01:12:56,070 --> 01:12:54,480
um and use that to try to verify the

1987
01:12:59,189 --> 01:12:56,080
details of their sighting that are

1988
01:13:01,990 --> 01:12:59,199
available to be verified but if somebody

1989
01:13:04,709 --> 01:13:02,000
says hey you know like i have a career

1990
01:13:07,590 --> 01:13:04,719
and a family in a life and i don't want

1991
01:13:09,990 --> 01:13:07,600
to be known as the crazy dude who saw a

1992
01:13:12,390 --> 01:13:10,000
mothman i'm not going to publish their

1993
01:13:14,149 --> 01:13:12,400
name if if they're

1994
01:13:16,070 --> 01:13:14,159
willing to stand by their story i

1995
01:13:18,870 --> 01:13:16,080
applaud that because i've done that

1996
01:13:21,189 --> 01:13:18,880
myself you know like that i am a real

1997
01:13:22,470 --> 01:13:21,199
person with a real life i have a wife

1998
01:13:25,030 --> 01:13:22,480
and a family

1999
01:13:26,149 --> 01:13:25,040
and i'm still willing to come on here

2000
01:13:28,470 --> 01:13:26,159
and say hey

2001
01:13:29,910 --> 01:13:28,480
i've seen things i can't explain and a

2002
01:13:32,390 --> 01:13:29,920
lot of people will look at that and say

2003
01:13:34,790 --> 01:13:32,400
hey that's nuts but here i am anyway and

2004
01:13:37,430 --> 01:13:34,800
so any witness let's do that i think

2005
01:13:41,110 --> 01:13:37,440
that's fantastic but that is not up for

2006
01:13:43,189 --> 01:13:41,120
us to say that is an individual decision

2007
01:13:45,350 --> 01:13:43,199
you know and and that's up to the the

2008
01:13:47,110 --> 01:13:45,360
witness and i won't tell anybody their

2009
01:13:48,709 --> 01:13:47,120
name i won't tell

2010
01:13:50,550 --> 01:13:48,719
my best friends their name if the

2011
01:13:52,950 --> 01:13:50,560
witness asked me not to

2012
01:13:54,790 --> 01:13:52,960
and it's just as simple as that well you

2013
01:13:57,110 --> 01:13:54,800
know unfortunately we ran into that

2014
01:14:00,550 --> 01:13:57,120
problem early on in these investigations

2015
01:14:02,630 --> 01:14:00,560
back in 2017 when we had certain folks

2016
01:14:04,550 --> 01:14:02,640
who were upset with us not

2017
01:14:06,870 --> 01:14:04,560
you know putting personal information

2018
01:14:09,189 --> 01:14:06,880
out on witnesses and uh

2019
01:14:11,350 --> 01:14:09,199
of course we were criticized well i'm

2020
01:14:13,189 --> 01:14:11,360
maybe i was criticized more than anybody

2021
01:14:14,470 --> 01:14:13,199
but you know i'm not going to do that

2022
01:14:16,870 --> 01:14:14,480
and i know you guys aren't going to do

2023
01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:16,880
that that's just that's just our policy

2024
01:14:19,830 --> 01:14:18,480
which ought to be the policy for

2025
01:14:22,149 --> 01:14:19,840
everybody

2026
01:14:24,229 --> 01:14:22,159
uh but you're right yeah mufon does want

2027
01:14:26,390 --> 01:14:24,239
to be able to put it out there and i i

2028
01:14:28,229 --> 01:14:26,400
just don't agree with that you know i

2029
01:14:30,870 --> 01:14:28,239
would have never found david eckhart if

2030
01:14:32,470 --> 01:14:30,880
it wasn't for mufon turning him you know

2031
01:14:34,550 --> 01:14:32,480
you know turning him down

2032
01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:34,560
for not wanting to investigate entities

2033
01:14:38,229 --> 01:14:35,920
um

2034
01:14:40,310 --> 01:14:38,239
you know well like i stated earlier

2035
01:14:41,990 --> 01:14:40,320
like i said earlier we have procedures i

2036
01:14:44,709 --> 01:14:42,000
mean the team has procedures that we

2037
01:14:47,030 --> 01:14:44,719
follow you know to keep everything

2038
01:14:48,950 --> 01:14:47,040
sterile look at these look at what's

2039
01:14:50,550 --> 01:14:48,960
going on now with these airport

2040
01:14:52,229 --> 01:14:50,560
sightings these people are being

2041
01:14:54,870 --> 01:14:52,239
threatened with you know we're gonna

2042
01:14:55,750 --> 01:14:54,880
fire you oh i know you're gonna be you

2043
01:14:58,470 --> 01:14:55,760
know

2044
01:15:00,070 --> 01:14:58,480
dealt with in a severe manner these jobs

2045
01:15:02,470 --> 01:15:00,080
paid very well

2046
01:15:04,310 --> 01:15:02,480
um and have you know these people have

2047
01:15:06,310 --> 01:15:04,320
probably been there for years you think

2048
01:15:08,390 --> 01:15:06,320
they're looking they want to have their

2049
01:15:09,910 --> 01:15:08,400
name put out there so that the next

2050
01:15:11,510 --> 01:15:09,920
thing that's going to happen they're

2051
01:15:13,669 --> 01:15:11,520
being dragged into a disciplinary

2052
01:15:15,189 --> 01:15:13,679
meeting and terminated

2053
01:15:16,870 --> 01:15:15,199
um

2054
01:15:19,189 --> 01:15:16,880
just because they went to talk to

2055
01:15:21,830 --> 01:15:19,199
somebody about it these people

2056
01:15:23,990 --> 01:15:21,840
are scared you know they are very scared

2057
01:15:26,950 --> 01:15:24,000
you know they they told us more than one

2058
01:15:28,790 --> 01:15:26,960
i don't want my name put out there i'm

2059
01:15:31,189 --> 01:15:28,800
not going to use i'm not going to give

2060
01:15:33,750 --> 01:15:31,199
you any information other than just what

2061
01:15:35,750 --> 01:15:33,760
we're giving you uh you do not have

2062
01:15:39,110 --> 01:15:35,760
permission to use my information for

2063
01:15:41,270 --> 01:15:39,120
that matter because they don't want

2064
01:15:43,030 --> 01:15:41,280
this is people's livelihoods i'm not

2065
01:15:45,430 --> 01:15:43,040
gonna threaten that

2066
01:15:46,950 --> 01:15:45,440
uh just to get my name out there for an

2067
01:15:48,709 --> 01:15:46,960
investigation

2068
01:15:50,790 --> 01:15:48,719
and i'm sure neither one of you two

2069
01:15:52,550 --> 01:15:50,800
either would be doing that

2070
01:15:54,870 --> 01:15:52,560
well you know

2071
01:15:56,709 --> 01:15:54,880
i i i've said this before i've i've got

2072
01:15:57,910 --> 01:15:56,719
a supervisor who worked one of the

2073
01:16:00,149 --> 01:15:57,920
carriers

2074
01:16:01,590 --> 01:16:00,159
who has is coming forward with me and

2075
01:16:03,590 --> 01:16:01,600
telling me some of the things that

2076
01:16:06,550 --> 01:16:03,600
they're seeing and hearing

2077
01:16:07,750 --> 01:16:06,560
uh from their own employees as well as

2078
01:16:09,430 --> 01:16:07,760
what they're hearing the hub bub

2079
01:16:11,510 --> 01:16:09,440
throughout the terminal

2080
01:16:15,270 --> 01:16:11,520
and uh

2081
01:16:17,590 --> 01:16:15,280
yeah the the powers that be to be are at

2082
01:16:19,669 --> 01:16:17,600
uh at o'hare are really

2083
01:16:21,590 --> 01:16:19,679
are really cracking down and they are

2084
01:16:23,750 --> 01:16:21,600
threatening with termination

2085
01:16:24,790 --> 01:16:23,760
so and some of the carriers are doing it

2086
01:16:26,390 --> 01:16:24,800
as well

2087
01:16:28,550 --> 01:16:26,400
so you know

2088
01:16:31,910 --> 01:16:28,560
we have had some inside information from

2089
01:16:35,270 --> 01:16:31,920
folks telling us this this very scenario

2090
01:16:37,189 --> 01:16:35,280
and uh so i don't know you know i i i

2091
01:16:38,790 --> 01:16:37,199
but i i gotta be honest with you i

2092
01:16:40,870 --> 01:16:38,800
really commend these people for coming

2093
01:16:42,950 --> 01:16:40,880
forth i mean it takes a lot of guts to

2094
01:16:46,870 --> 01:16:42,960
do that for one thing and the fact that

2095
01:16:48,229 --> 01:16:46,880
this july 22nd setting

2096
01:16:50,950 --> 01:16:48,239
and all these people that are coming

2097
01:16:51,990 --> 01:16:50,960
forth and they all knew who was there

2098
01:17:02,149 --> 01:16:52,000
now

2099
01:17:04,310 --> 01:17:02,159
them i hope this doesn't affect us as

2100
01:17:05,510 --> 01:17:04,320
being able to get witnesses to come

2101
01:17:08,709 --> 01:17:05,520
forth

2102
01:17:12,790 --> 01:17:10,550
okay we got a question here from nancy

2103
01:17:14,390 --> 01:17:12,800
malcolm how does

2104
01:17:16,950 --> 01:17:14,400
guru

2105
01:17:21,030 --> 01:17:16,960
and others contact you to initiate or

2106
01:17:22,709 --> 01:17:21,040
schedule a group remote meeting

2107
01:17:24,470 --> 01:17:22,719
well i don't i'm not saying this is

2108
01:17:26,149 --> 01:17:24,480
going to happen all the time because

2109
01:17:27,490 --> 01:17:26,159
this was a particular

2110
01:17:29,669 --> 01:17:27,500
instance

2111
01:17:32,550 --> 01:17:29,679
[Music]

2112
01:17:35,830 --> 01:17:32,560
jennifer and i happened to be

2113
01:17:37,189 --> 01:17:35,840
watching as to buy i mean as emmanuel

2114
01:17:39,189 --> 01:17:37,199
was out there

2115
01:17:40,870 --> 01:17:39,199
and we were getting she was particularly

2116
01:17:43,990 --> 01:17:40,880
getting instruction

2117
01:17:47,350 --> 01:17:44,000
um and you know i look i i tell you the

2118
01:17:48,950 --> 01:17:47,360
way this happens is pretty

2119
01:17:49,830 --> 01:17:48,960
well i don't know how different it is

2120
01:17:51,830 --> 01:17:49,840
but

2121
01:17:54,470 --> 01:17:51,840
it's almost like you know you talk about

2122
01:17:56,870 --> 01:17:54,480
people talk about esp or

2123
01:17:59,110 --> 01:17:56,880
some type of psychic connection and

2124
01:18:01,030 --> 01:17:59,120
jenna is psychic she's very psychic

2125
01:18:02,870 --> 01:18:01,040
she's got a lot of gifts

2126
01:18:03,910 --> 01:18:02,880
um

2127
01:18:06,470 --> 01:18:03,920
but

2128
01:18:08,630 --> 01:18:06,480
originally and for the most part when we

2129
01:18:11,430 --> 01:18:08,640
do ask questions of them we just get

2130
01:18:13,750 --> 01:18:11,440
responses to yes and no

2131
01:18:15,189 --> 01:18:13,760
on occasion we have had

2132
01:18:16,630 --> 01:18:15,199
things actually

2133
01:18:18,790 --> 01:18:16,640
said

2134
01:18:20,470 --> 01:18:18,800
um

2135
01:18:23,910 --> 01:18:20,480
you know you hear people talk about your

2136
01:18:27,510 --> 01:18:23,920
mind's eye or you're being able to hear

2137
01:18:28,229 --> 01:18:27,520
uh telepathically it's like that um

2138
01:18:29,669 --> 01:18:28,239
and

2139
01:18:31,350 --> 01:18:29,679
by me

2140
01:18:33,510 --> 01:18:31,360
being with her and listening to her and

2141
01:18:35,350 --> 01:18:33,520
watching her on some occasions

2142
01:18:38,070 --> 01:18:35,360
it's pretty interesting i mean it is

2143
01:18:40,709 --> 01:18:38,080
very interesting i i i think she's being

2144
01:18:42,709 --> 01:18:40,719
very forthright with it even some of the

2145
01:18:44,630 --> 01:18:42,719
things i have gotten but anyway in this

2146
01:18:46,390 --> 01:18:44,640
the case of um

2147
01:18:48,149 --> 01:18:46,400
emmanuel because he was out there we

2148
01:18:52,630 --> 01:18:48,159
knew he was out there

2149
01:18:54,870 --> 01:18:52,640
we tried to initiate this contact

2150
01:18:56,790 --> 01:18:54,880
and uh manuel was following the

2151
01:18:58,310 --> 01:18:56,800
instructions that they were telling her

2152
01:19:01,910 --> 01:18:58,320
and

2153
01:19:03,030 --> 01:19:01,920
it's led to the actual contact itself

2154
01:19:08,870 --> 01:19:03,040
now

2155
01:19:11,510 --> 01:19:08,880
there's no specific reason for anybody

2156
01:19:14,470 --> 01:19:11,520
to try to make contact at the airport or

2157
01:19:17,270 --> 01:19:14,480
at the the cemetery they can do it

2158
01:19:19,910 --> 01:19:17,280
at location any location where they are

2159
01:19:21,830 --> 01:19:19,920
comfortable well just look at tobias

2160
01:19:24,390 --> 01:19:21,840
tobias feels something may have happened

2161
01:19:26,310 --> 01:19:24,400
with him as he's out of the kettle moran

2162
01:19:28,310 --> 01:19:26,320
state park and uh

2163
01:19:30,149 --> 01:19:28,320
you know who knows that may very well

2164
01:19:31,030 --> 01:19:30,159
have been a contact

2165
01:19:33,030 --> 01:19:31,040
uh

2166
01:19:34,070 --> 01:19:33,040
and speaking of killer marine that place

2167
01:19:35,350 --> 01:19:34,080
has had

2168
01:19:37,350 --> 01:19:35,360
activity for

2169
01:19:38,550 --> 01:19:37,360
years now and i'm talking about

2170
01:19:41,189 --> 01:19:38,560
everything you

2171
01:19:43,030 --> 01:19:41,199
you can think of out there it's just a

2172
01:19:46,950 --> 01:19:43,040
strange area

2173
01:19:49,270 --> 01:19:46,960
um i i think it's it's a non-glacial

2174
01:19:51,350 --> 01:19:49,280
area is it not tobias

2175
01:19:53,990 --> 01:19:51,360
guys well it's it's it's a huge glacial

2176
01:19:56,390 --> 01:19:54,000
formation uh basically you know you had

2177
01:19:57,830 --> 01:19:56,400
glaciers that came all the way down you

2178
01:20:00,630 --> 01:19:57,840
know from

2179
01:20:02,630 --> 01:20:00,640
the north pole or whatever and

2180
01:20:05,830 --> 01:20:02,640
however long ago and they tore up this

2181
01:20:07,510 --> 01:20:05,840
whole area and uh and so we've got this

2182
01:20:10,229 --> 01:20:07,520
this enormous

2183
01:20:13,270 --> 01:20:10,239
uh forest that that runs almost the

2184
01:20:15,510 --> 01:20:13,280
length of the the estate

2185
01:20:17,510 --> 01:20:15,520
in the eastern portion of the state

2186
01:20:20,390 --> 01:20:17,520
and uh you know it's full of kettles and

2187
01:20:21,830 --> 01:20:20,400
and marines you know so kevin are these

2188
01:20:23,669 --> 01:20:21,840
like valleys

2189
01:20:26,149 --> 01:20:23,679
and marines are these hills and they're

2190
01:20:29,750 --> 01:20:26,159
they're formed by the like this glacial

2191
01:20:33,990 --> 01:20:32,790
it's it's a weird area and oh it is

2192
01:20:35,750 --> 01:20:34,000
has happened out there a lot of weird

2193
01:20:37,030 --> 01:20:35,760
stuff has been reported i know jay's

2194
01:20:39,910 --> 01:20:37,040
done a lot of work out there and of

2195
01:20:42,870 --> 01:20:39,920
course linda uh lyndon godfrey has done

2196
01:20:44,629 --> 01:20:42,880
a lot of work out there as well so yes

2197
01:20:46,790 --> 01:20:44,639
so folks you got more questions let us

2198
01:20:48,870 --> 01:20:46,800
know um yeah you're right i mean and

2199
01:20:50,550 --> 01:20:48,880
yeah i uh

2200
01:20:51,830 --> 01:20:50,560
and the fact that you had a possible

2201
01:20:54,070 --> 01:20:51,840
connection while you're out there really

2202
01:20:56,870 --> 01:20:54,080
doesn't surprise me actually

2203
01:21:01,750 --> 01:20:59,270
just real quick speaking of you know not

2204
01:21:04,149 --> 01:21:01,760
having to be at o'hare i mean that

2205
01:21:06,709 --> 01:21:04,159
possible uh uh sighting i had of

2206
01:21:09,110 --> 01:21:06,719
something uh observing me that was in

2207
01:21:11,270 --> 01:21:09,120
the middle of madison wisconsin which is

2208
01:21:13,590 --> 01:21:11,280
the second largest city in wisconsin

2209
01:21:16,709 --> 01:21:13,600
with like 300 000 people

2210
01:21:19,669 --> 01:21:16,719
um you know and and we live close to to

2211
01:21:21,189 --> 01:21:19,679
downtown so uh yeah i mean

2212
01:21:23,110 --> 01:21:21,199
there's no reason why it couldn't happen

2213
01:21:24,709 --> 01:21:23,120
anywhere well i think they're following

2214
01:21:26,550 --> 01:21:24,719
this i mean i think they are keeping an

2215
01:21:29,110 --> 01:21:26,560
eye on us for whatever reason i think

2216
01:21:31,350 --> 01:21:29,120
it's from what's going on very beginning

2217
01:21:33,590 --> 01:21:31,360
us getting involved you know it's always

2218
01:21:34,950 --> 01:21:33,600
been confusing to me even a bit

2219
01:21:37,189 --> 01:21:34,960
surprising

2220
01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:37,199
why have these sightings kind of fallen

2221
01:21:43,750 --> 01:21:42,229
you know who else is getting these

2222
01:21:45,510 --> 01:21:43,760
sightings they may be getting them but

2223
01:21:48,790 --> 01:21:45,520
they're not publishing them

2224
01:21:51,590 --> 01:21:48,800
but we're publishing 95 or more of these

2225
01:21:54,470 --> 01:21:51,600
well if not all of them

2226
01:21:57,669 --> 01:21:54,480
why is it just us getting these studies

2227
01:21:59,590 --> 01:21:57,679
you know i have had people ask that

2228
01:22:00,830 --> 01:21:59,600
you know and you know they say well are

2229
01:22:02,070 --> 01:22:00,840
you making this up or

2230
01:22:04,629 --> 01:22:02,080
[Music]

2231
01:22:06,790 --> 01:22:04,639
why are you guys getting the reports

2232
01:22:09,270 --> 01:22:06,800
well we're not the only people getting

2233
01:22:11,430 --> 01:22:09,280
them um

2234
01:22:13,350 --> 01:22:11,440
referred to me you know usually what

2235
01:22:15,350 --> 01:22:13,360
will happen is you know say well for

2236
01:22:16,950 --> 01:22:15,360
instance like my my friend uh jesse

2237
01:22:19,350 --> 01:22:16,960
durdell over at the

2238
01:22:20,550 --> 01:22:19,360
the national uh uh cryptid society you

2239
01:22:22,870 --> 01:22:20,560
know

2240
01:22:24,390 --> 01:22:22,880
he'll get a weird report like this or

2241
01:22:26,629 --> 01:22:24,400
adam benedict at the pine barrens

2242
01:22:28,470 --> 01:22:26,639
institute you know they'll get a weird

2243
01:22:30,709 --> 01:22:28,480
report of this winged humanoid and

2244
01:22:32,470 --> 01:22:30,719
they'll say oh hey you know like that's

2245
01:22:34,870 --> 01:22:32,480
tobias's thing like he's looking into

2246
01:22:35,830 --> 01:22:34,880
those i'll just send them i'll send them

2247
01:22:37,669 --> 01:22:35,840
his way

2248
01:22:39,350 --> 01:22:37,679
and so that's one way right there yeah

2249
01:22:41,430 --> 01:22:39,360
other organizations are getting these

2250
01:22:43,510 --> 01:22:41,440
reports it's not just us

2251
01:22:45,590 --> 01:22:43,520
and then you know and i'm sure you know

2252
01:22:47,669 --> 01:22:45,600
uh manuel can speak to this as well but

2253
01:22:50,229 --> 01:22:47,679
like the fact is

2254
01:22:52,229 --> 01:22:50,239
that there is such a thing as search

2255
01:22:53,750 --> 01:22:52,239
engine optimization there is such a

2256
01:22:56,070 --> 01:22:53,760
thing

2257
01:22:58,629 --> 01:22:56,080
it's seriously because when people have

2258
01:23:00,229 --> 01:22:58,639
these experiences what do they do

2259
01:23:02,950 --> 01:23:00,239
they don't call the police they don't

2260
01:23:05,350 --> 01:23:02,960
call the media they google it they go

2261
01:23:07,430 --> 01:23:05,360
onto the internet and they google it

2262
01:23:09,669 --> 01:23:07,440
and when they do they're gonna find one

2263
01:23:12,390 --> 01:23:09,679
of us now if they're in the chicago

2264
01:23:15,270 --> 01:23:12,400
market those google search returns are

2265
01:23:18,070 --> 01:23:15,280
going to favor manuel because he is

2266
01:23:19,910 --> 01:23:18,080
local to that market that is a fact if

2267
01:23:23,270 --> 01:23:19,920
you know anything about marketing that's

2268
01:23:25,350 --> 01:23:23,280
just how it works yeah and so of course

2269
01:23:28,149 --> 01:23:25,360
if somebody is local in that area

2270
01:23:29,750 --> 01:23:28,159
they're going to find him through google

2271
01:23:31,430 --> 01:23:29,760
or they're going to find me or they're

2272
01:23:33,669 --> 01:23:31,440
going to find you you know through a

2273
01:23:35,430 --> 01:23:33,679
podcast appearance a documentary

2274
01:23:37,430 --> 01:23:35,440
appearance i've had multiple people who

2275
01:23:39,270 --> 01:23:37,440
have reached out to me just from

2276
01:23:42,550 --> 01:23:39,280
appearing uh you know in in the small

2277
01:23:45,270 --> 01:23:42,560
town monster stock terror in the skies

2278
01:23:47,030 --> 01:23:45,280
and so at a certain point one when it

2279
01:23:48,709 --> 01:23:47,040
starts out and you're the only people

2280
01:23:51,350 --> 01:23:48,719
covering it

2281
01:23:53,430 --> 01:23:51,360
that kind of gives you a head start and

2282
01:23:55,350 --> 01:23:53,440
that's gonna help with your seo and

2283
01:23:57,590 --> 01:23:55,360
that's gonna lead more people to you and

2284
01:23:59,430 --> 01:23:57,600
then it just snowballs but we're not the

2285
01:24:01,510 --> 01:23:59,440
only people getting these like there are

2286
01:24:04,149 --> 01:24:01,520
reports going to other people not as

2287
01:24:04,950 --> 01:24:04,159
many for the reasons i just stated

2288
01:24:06,950 --> 01:24:04,960
but

2289
01:24:09,350 --> 01:24:06,960
they are and usually when they get them

2290
01:24:11,430 --> 01:24:09,360
they just send them our way or at least

2291
01:24:13,270 --> 01:24:11,440
that's been my experience yeah and that

2292
01:24:15,669 --> 01:24:13,280
is you are right and but i wanted to put

2293
01:24:17,030 --> 01:24:15,679
it out there so people who wonder why

2294
01:24:19,350 --> 01:24:17,040
the hell are you guys getting these

2295
01:24:22,390 --> 01:24:19,360
reports and nobody else well that is you

2296
01:24:25,590 --> 01:24:22,400
know there there is a way as to why it's

2297
01:24:27,110 --> 01:24:25,600
working like that and seo is a big part

2298
01:24:29,990 --> 01:24:27,120
of that oh yeah right

2299
01:24:32,470 --> 01:24:30,000
and also just like uh tobias says the

2300
01:24:34,470 --> 01:24:32,480
same thing we we post on multiple groups

2301
01:24:37,110 --> 01:24:34,480
that we belong to that are you know

2302
01:24:39,669 --> 01:24:37,120
fellow researchers that are or you know

2303
01:24:42,709 --> 01:24:39,679
paranormal podcasts that we keep up with

2304
01:24:44,950 --> 01:24:42,719
we post stuff um when the sightings were

2305
01:24:46,870 --> 01:24:44,960
happening all over uh

2306
01:24:48,870 --> 01:24:46,880
little village i was out there posting

2307
01:24:50,950 --> 01:24:48,880
you know flyers and and handing out

2308
01:24:52,550 --> 01:24:50,960
cards to people and i was getting a

2309
01:24:54,790 --> 01:24:52,560
bunch of hits off of that

2310
01:24:56,629 --> 01:24:54,800
we we use uh

2311
01:24:59,350 --> 01:24:56,639
you know the tools that are around us to

2312
01:25:00,950 --> 01:24:59,360
help us try to find these we also go out

2313
01:25:02,950 --> 01:25:00,960
and do our own research how many times

2314
01:25:04,790 --> 01:25:02,960
have we seen sightings that we've passed

2315
01:25:07,590 --> 01:25:04,800
on to the group that we see

2316
01:25:09,669 --> 01:25:07,600
on reddit or on twitter or on even on

2317
01:25:11,510 --> 01:25:09,679
the chat of one of our other podcasts

2318
01:25:13,510 --> 01:25:11,520
that we're listening to or

2319
01:25:15,830 --> 01:25:13,520
even a podcast where we're on somebody

2320
01:25:18,470 --> 01:25:15,840
says i saw something and we get we just

2321
01:25:21,030 --> 01:25:18,480
get hold of them and you know

2322
01:25:22,629 --> 01:25:21,040
go from there we we use the tools that

2323
01:25:24,870 --> 01:25:22,639
we have um

2324
01:25:27,270 --> 01:25:24,880
also one question i wanted to ask tobias

2325
01:25:29,030 --> 01:25:27,280
this um the kettle moraine does it they

2326
01:25:31,110 --> 01:25:29,040
also have like a lot of like first

2327
01:25:33,270 --> 01:25:31,120
nation like activity like where they're

2328
01:25:36,229 --> 01:25:33,280
like burial grounds or

2329
01:25:38,870 --> 01:25:36,239
ceremonial sites there

2330
01:25:40,390 --> 01:25:38,880
well that's a good question and i will

2331
01:25:41,990 --> 01:25:40,400
tell you honestly i've never heard of

2332
01:25:44,229 --> 01:25:42,000
anything like that

2333
01:25:45,750 --> 01:25:44,239
yeah i mean i i i don't know

2334
01:25:47,910 --> 01:25:45,760
specifically

2335
01:25:50,149 --> 01:25:47,920
uh about any

2336
01:25:53,110 --> 01:25:50,159
mounds i you know they're almost have to

2337
01:25:55,350 --> 01:25:53,120
be because they're they're all over the

2338
01:25:56,709 --> 01:25:55,360
the entire state unfortunately a lot of

2339
01:25:58,070 --> 01:25:56,719
them have been destroyed they wouldn't

2340
01:26:01,910 --> 01:25:58,080
have been destroyed if they exist in

2341
01:26:04,790 --> 01:26:01,920
that area um but you know you can't go

2342
01:26:06,870 --> 01:26:04,800
a dozen miles in wisconsin without you

2343
01:26:08,629 --> 01:26:06,880
know there being something like that or

2344
01:26:10,149 --> 01:26:08,639
at least at one time having been

2345
01:26:11,510 --> 01:26:10,159
something like that

2346
01:26:13,350 --> 01:26:11,520
um

2347
01:26:15,110 --> 01:26:13,360
and so it it

2348
01:26:18,709 --> 01:26:15,120
it wouldn't surprise me like i said

2349
01:26:20,950 --> 01:26:18,719
there's a lot of stuff like that up here

2350
01:26:24,629 --> 01:26:20,960
yeah i i you know and i have been

2351
01:26:26,470 --> 01:26:24,639
looking into that more recently and um

2352
01:26:29,990 --> 01:26:26,480
you know there there is a there is

2353
01:26:32,070 --> 01:26:30,000
actually a tri council of

2354
01:26:33,590 --> 01:26:32,080
first nations that are part of all that

2355
01:26:35,350 --> 01:26:33,600
up there in that area

2356
01:26:36,709 --> 01:26:35,360
uh particularly the ho-chunk or

2357
01:26:38,709 --> 01:26:36,719
winnebago

2358
01:26:41,270 --> 01:26:38,719
and um

2359
01:26:43,830 --> 01:26:41,280
i i kind of believe that they had the

2360
01:26:45,669 --> 01:26:43,840
they were the more dominating group in

2361
01:26:48,149 --> 01:26:45,679
southern wisconsin

2362
01:26:50,149 --> 01:26:48,159
so i but no i have not really heard a

2363
01:26:52,310 --> 01:26:50,159
whole lot about the kettle moran and

2364
01:26:54,709 --> 01:26:52,320
having any in disney's group activity

2365
01:26:55,750 --> 01:26:54,719
there but who knows you know

2366
01:26:58,950 --> 01:26:55,760
i mean they've been there a hell of a

2367
01:27:03,430 --> 01:27:01,350
that's exactly right so folks you got

2368
01:27:04,950 --> 01:27:03,440
questions uh we're gonna be on here for

2369
01:27:06,149 --> 01:27:04,960
another half hour so if you've got a

2370
01:27:08,709 --> 01:27:06,159
question

2371
01:27:10,790 --> 01:27:08,719
uh put it up in the chat and uh we'll

2372
01:27:13,270 --> 01:27:10,800
try to answer it for you

2373
01:27:16,149 --> 01:27:13,280
uh was it one of the unseen this is from

2374
01:27:18,870 --> 01:27:16,159
matthew one of the unseens or mothman

2375
01:27:21,910 --> 01:27:18,880
that manuel felt the energy of next to

2376
01:27:23,110 --> 01:27:21,920
him what do you think man well

2377
01:27:25,990 --> 01:27:23,120
honestly

2378
01:27:29,110 --> 01:27:26,000
um i believe it was i know it was one of

2379
01:27:31,189 --> 01:27:29,120
the unseens um it was not a mothman

2380
01:27:34,950 --> 01:27:31,199
um i honestly like we've discussed

2381
01:27:36,950 --> 01:27:34,960
before uh tonight um i feel these these

2382
01:27:39,030 --> 01:27:36,960
wing humanoids are the mothman they're

2383
01:27:41,430 --> 01:27:39,040
calling them now um

2384
01:27:42,950 --> 01:27:41,440
and just a side note that really started

2385
01:27:45,510 --> 01:27:42,960
to burn me because people are

2386
01:27:47,350 --> 01:27:45,520
associating this with um

2387
01:27:48,950 --> 01:27:47,360
um

2388
01:27:50,950 --> 01:27:48,960
point pleasant but

2389
01:27:53,350 --> 01:27:50,960
i digress um

2390
01:27:55,110 --> 01:27:53,360
it is i believe these things are what

2391
01:27:55,910 --> 01:27:55,120
we're seeing it's the unseen you know

2392
01:27:58,229 --> 01:27:55,920
the

2393
01:28:00,310 --> 01:27:58,239
unseen ones we're not uh

2394
01:28:03,189 --> 01:28:00,320
they're kind of one in the same they're

2395
01:28:05,669 --> 01:28:03,199
suicidal one of us the same coin so i

2396
01:28:08,629 --> 01:28:05,679
feel that it was one of the unseen

2397
01:28:10,470 --> 01:28:08,639
that i felt that night

2398
01:28:11,669 --> 01:28:10,480
yeah i mean if somebody told me that two

2399
01:28:13,189 --> 01:28:11,679
months ago i probably would have

2400
01:28:15,510 --> 01:28:13,199
questioned that

2401
01:28:17,510 --> 01:28:15,520
but uh you know i'm not questioning it

2402
01:28:20,310 --> 01:28:17,520
now i think that is true though

2403
01:28:23,270 --> 01:28:20,320
i think what we are getting is is what

2404
01:28:25,510 --> 01:28:23,280
you know are very closely associated not

2405
01:28:27,430 --> 01:28:25,520
the beings that

2406
01:28:29,830 --> 01:28:27,440
people are seeing out at the airport in

2407
01:28:31,830 --> 01:28:29,840
other places um

2408
01:28:33,830 --> 01:28:31,840
i mean that's just my that's just my

2409
01:28:35,430 --> 01:28:33,840
thoughts

2410
01:28:36,790 --> 01:28:35,440
but i think that may very well be the

2411
01:28:37,830 --> 01:28:36,800
case

2412
01:28:39,830 --> 01:28:37,840
uh

2413
01:28:44,550 --> 01:28:39,840
are you afraid to be in contact with

2414
01:28:46,550 --> 01:28:44,560
these entities that's from amy crew

2415
01:28:48,390 --> 01:28:46,560
well i don't know i mean you know it's

2416
01:28:50,950 --> 01:28:48,400
like anything else when you're you're

2417
01:28:53,669 --> 01:28:50,960
involved with the paranormal and you're

2418
01:28:55,750 --> 01:28:53,679
kind of going out of your realm and your

2419
01:28:57,750 --> 01:28:55,760
safety net

2420
01:29:00,390 --> 01:28:57,760
to say that you might run into something

2421
01:29:03,110 --> 01:29:00,400
that's not really

2422
01:29:05,270 --> 01:29:03,120
kosher i mean they have other they have

2423
01:29:07,110 --> 01:29:05,280
an agenda you know i've always said i i

2424
01:29:08,870 --> 01:29:07,120
even in my book

2425
01:29:11,510 --> 01:29:08,880
that i believe these beings do have an

2426
01:29:13,590 --> 01:29:11,520
agenda at some point um

2427
01:29:15,430 --> 01:29:13,600
is it a singularity thing where they

2428
01:29:17,110 --> 01:29:15,440
want to make us like them and vice versa

2429
01:29:18,390 --> 01:29:17,120
i don't know you know it may very well

2430
01:29:20,550 --> 01:29:18,400
be like that

2431
01:29:23,110 --> 01:29:20,560
but i i think with what we're getting

2432
01:29:24,470 --> 01:29:23,120
now out of o'hare i i think this is

2433
01:29:27,030 --> 01:29:24,480
positive

2434
01:29:29,110 --> 01:29:27,040
uh you know they wouldn't even had to

2435
01:29:31,669 --> 01:29:29,120
contact us at all and they could have

2436
01:29:33,750 --> 01:29:31,679
made it a lot more difficult

2437
01:29:35,030 --> 01:29:33,760
and uh but you know this is something

2438
01:29:36,870 --> 01:29:35,040
you know this is something we got to

2439
01:29:40,070 --> 01:29:36,880
continue to see what happens

2440
01:29:43,110 --> 01:29:40,080
if it looks like it's it's getting uh

2441
01:29:45,910 --> 01:29:43,120
malevolent or starting to come

2442
01:29:47,910 --> 01:29:45,920
an issue i'm sure we'll back off i mean

2443
01:29:49,910 --> 01:29:47,920
we'll find other means

2444
01:29:51,910 --> 01:29:49,920
uh but i think we're giving it being

2445
01:29:53,910 --> 01:29:51,920
given an opportunity here to at least

2446
01:29:55,189 --> 01:29:53,920
explore what this thing is of what these

2447
01:29:57,750 --> 01:29:55,199
things are

2448
01:29:59,110 --> 01:29:57,760
and uh you know i think we ought to go

2449
01:30:00,950 --> 01:29:59,120
with it i don't know how you guys feel

2450
01:30:03,510 --> 01:30:00,960
about that but you know

2451
01:30:07,270 --> 01:30:03,520
well i'll tell you uh in terms of being

2452
01:30:08,310 --> 01:30:07,280
afraid of any of this um i'm not you

2453
01:30:10,629 --> 01:30:08,320
know i

2454
01:30:13,669 --> 01:30:10,639
when i was a little kid and i first

2455
01:30:15,830 --> 01:30:13,679
started experiencing the the visitations

2456
01:30:17,750 --> 01:30:15,840
that uh that i had which have been

2457
01:30:20,390 --> 01:30:17,760
ongoing throughout my life

2458
01:30:22,310 --> 01:30:20,400
um and uh and seeing strange things

2459
01:30:24,070 --> 01:30:22,320
experiencing the paranormal i was

2460
01:30:26,470 --> 01:30:24,080
terrified i didn't want to go to bed at

2461
01:30:28,390 --> 01:30:26,480
night i tried to hide uh so i didn't

2462
01:30:30,149 --> 01:30:28,400
have to i would try to hide under my

2463
01:30:31,910 --> 01:30:30,159
blankets none of it helped

2464
01:30:35,430 --> 01:30:31,920
and at a certain point

2465
01:30:37,830 --> 01:30:35,440
uh by the time i was in my my late teens

2466
01:30:40,149 --> 01:30:37,840
really you know i had figured out that

2467
01:30:42,629 --> 01:30:40,159
if whatever this was wanted to hurt me

2468
01:30:43,510 --> 01:30:42,639
i'd be hurt i i would have been hurt by

2469
01:30:48,149 --> 01:30:43,520
that

2470
01:30:50,950 --> 01:30:48,159
amazingly adaptable and we can get used

2471
01:30:54,149 --> 01:30:50,960
to almost anything and and i've gotten

2472
01:30:56,070 --> 01:30:54,159
used to this you know so

2473
01:30:58,070 --> 01:30:56,080
i i get startled

2474
01:30:59,270 --> 01:30:58,080
because that's an involuntary response

2475
01:31:00,229 --> 01:30:59,280
and there's just nothing you can do

2476
01:31:02,629 --> 01:31:00,239
about it

2477
01:31:05,430 --> 01:31:02,639
um but you know in terms of actually

2478
01:31:06,310 --> 01:31:05,440
being afraid of this anymore i i'm just

2479
01:31:08,709 --> 01:31:06,320
not

2480
01:31:11,270 --> 01:31:08,719
i i don't think that there's anything

2481
01:31:13,350 --> 01:31:11,280
to be afraid of like once you make that

2482
01:31:16,149 --> 01:31:13,360
hurdle over

2483
01:31:17,750 --> 01:31:16,159
um the fact that all of this seems to

2484
01:31:19,830 --> 01:31:17,760
challenge everything we've been taught

2485
01:31:22,550 --> 01:31:19,840
our entire lives about how the world and

2486
01:31:24,790 --> 01:31:22,560
the universe works once once you kind of

2487
01:31:26,790 --> 01:31:24,800
get past that which i i didn't really

2488
01:31:29,030 --> 01:31:26,800
have much choice i had to

2489
01:31:32,229 --> 01:31:29,040
um then there really isn't anything to

2490
01:31:35,669 --> 01:31:32,239
to to be afraid of frankly

2491
01:31:38,229 --> 01:31:35,679
uh sir brian bowden says with zero

2492
01:31:39,830 --> 01:31:38,239
disrespect to you all and understanding

2493
01:31:42,550 --> 01:31:39,840
you have

2494
01:31:44,629 --> 01:31:42,560
a social reach why giving manifesto to

2495
01:31:46,390 --> 01:31:44,639
individuals who aren't in position get

2496
01:31:48,149 --> 01:31:46,400
anything done

2497
01:31:50,790 --> 01:31:48,159
well i mean that's an interesting

2498
01:31:53,430 --> 01:31:50,800
question but i mean why do you say we're

2499
01:31:55,270 --> 01:31:53,440
not in a position to get anything done

2500
01:31:58,229 --> 01:31:55,280
uh

2501
01:32:01,990 --> 01:31:58,239
we may very well be that that connection

2502
01:32:06,790 --> 01:32:04,629
i mean who's to say what

2503
01:32:09,790 --> 01:32:06,800
the the motivation is if you look at the

2504
01:32:12,709 --> 01:32:09,800
entire history of ufology and

2505
01:32:16,229 --> 01:32:12,719
cryptozoology and the the paranormal

2506
01:32:19,750 --> 01:32:16,239
it's not a history of of presidents

2507
01:32:22,870 --> 01:32:19,760
and and um you know politicians

2508
01:32:25,030 --> 01:32:22,880
and and and these these pillars of

2509
01:32:27,270 --> 01:32:25,040
society experiencing this

2510
01:32:29,350 --> 01:32:27,280
sometimes it is uh it's not usually

2511
01:32:31,510 --> 01:32:29,360
publicized until after they're they're

2512
01:32:34,709 --> 01:32:31,520
either out of power or dead

2513
01:32:37,110 --> 01:32:34,719
but that that isn't the history of this

2514
01:32:38,310 --> 01:32:37,120
this phenomenon or or these phenomena

2515
01:32:40,950 --> 01:32:38,320
rather

2516
01:32:43,750 --> 01:32:40,960
it's it's it's a history of

2517
01:32:45,350 --> 01:32:43,760
relatively normal people um and that

2518
01:32:47,430 --> 01:32:45,360
isn't to say that it it's not

2519
01:32:49,750 --> 01:32:47,440
exceptional people because everybody is

2520
01:32:51,590 --> 01:32:49,760
exceptional in their way but you know

2521
01:32:54,310 --> 01:32:51,600
nondescript people people that you

2522
01:32:57,510 --> 01:32:54,320
probably haven't heard of experiencing

2523
01:32:59,990 --> 01:32:57,520
these impossible events for whatever

2524
01:33:02,310 --> 01:33:00,000
reason you know it

2525
01:33:04,790 --> 01:33:02,320
whatever motivation there is behind this

2526
01:33:06,550 --> 01:33:04,800
if there is one specifically you know

2527
01:33:09,669 --> 01:33:06,560
targeting certain individuals to

2528
01:33:11,830 --> 01:33:09,679
experiences stuff i don't think that it

2529
01:33:14,070 --> 01:33:11,840
is anything that is supposed to make

2530
01:33:16,470 --> 01:33:14,080
sense to us because i don't know that

2531
01:33:18,229 --> 01:33:16,480
they care if it makes sense to us yeah

2532
01:33:20,149 --> 01:33:18,239
that may be you're right

2533
01:33:22,790 --> 01:33:20,159
yeah you're right

2534
01:33:24,950 --> 01:33:22,800
um got another question is jen your only

2535
01:33:27,270 --> 01:33:24,960
point of contact

2536
01:33:29,590 --> 01:33:27,280
to these beings can you get her on the

2537
01:33:31,430 --> 01:33:29,600
program well

2538
01:33:33,350 --> 01:33:31,440
jennifer is fairly new with the group i

2539
01:33:35,270 --> 01:33:33,360
mean i think she feels like she needs to

2540
01:33:38,550 --> 01:33:35,280
establish trust with the group first of

2541
01:33:41,189 --> 01:33:38,560
all though there has been it it has been

2542
01:33:43,350 --> 01:33:41,199
trust uh we communicate well

2543
01:33:45,430 --> 01:33:43,360
but uh no she's not the only point of

2544
01:33:47,350 --> 01:33:45,440
contact at this point i mean

2545
01:33:48,709 --> 01:33:47,360
it's all of us right now

2546
01:33:50,870 --> 01:33:48,719
uh you know

2547
01:33:52,550 --> 01:33:50,880
we are all having some type of contact

2548
01:33:54,870 --> 01:33:52,560
she's probably getting the most since

2549
01:33:56,950 --> 01:33:54,880
she's been involved with this the most

2550
01:34:00,629 --> 01:33:56,960
um

2551
01:34:03,830 --> 01:34:00,639
she's she's had contact in the same

2552
01:34:06,629 --> 01:34:03,840
in the same vein as david eckhart has to

2553
01:34:09,510 --> 01:34:06,639
a big to a large degree i mean um

2554
01:34:12,149 --> 01:34:09,520
some of the stuff that has come to her

2555
01:34:13,350 --> 01:34:12,159
uh over over time has been pretty

2556
01:34:15,430 --> 01:34:13,360
profound and

2557
01:34:16,629 --> 01:34:15,440
frankly quite scary

2558
01:34:19,430 --> 01:34:16,639
i mean she's

2559
01:34:22,310 --> 01:34:19,440
she's told me a lot of this and uh

2560
01:34:24,550 --> 01:34:22,320
quite for her to come forward just to me

2561
01:34:26,229 --> 01:34:24,560
i think took a lot of a lot of guts but

2562
01:34:29,110 --> 01:34:26,239
she's very gifted

2563
01:34:30,390 --> 01:34:29,120
and uh i think she will eventually come

2564
01:34:33,830 --> 01:34:30,400
out here

2565
01:34:35,510 --> 01:34:33,840
and and step forth and help us uh

2566
01:34:37,110 --> 01:34:35,520
as far as you know

2567
01:34:39,030 --> 01:34:37,120
presenting herself

2568
01:34:40,870 --> 01:34:39,040
to the public but it's gonna take some

2569
01:34:42,550 --> 01:34:40,880
time this is

2570
01:34:44,310 --> 01:34:42,560
you know she has been involved with some

2571
01:34:47,270 --> 01:34:44,320
things with the paranormal in the past

2572
01:34:49,270 --> 01:34:47,280
uh she's not well known and uh but she

2573
01:34:51,109 --> 01:34:49,280
does have some she does have some

2574
01:34:53,910 --> 01:34:51,119
gravitas as well

2575
01:34:55,189 --> 01:34:53,920
in some some production as far as the

2576
01:34:57,350 --> 01:34:55,199
paranormal

2577
01:34:58,870 --> 01:34:57,360
uh as for you know media and

2578
01:35:01,990 --> 01:34:58,880
entertainment

2579
01:35:03,270 --> 01:35:02,000
but you know i can understand how she

2580
01:35:04,550 --> 01:35:03,280
feels that

2581
01:35:07,189 --> 01:35:04,560
you know

2582
01:35:09,030 --> 01:35:07,199
she she has she has actually put herself

2583
01:35:11,510 --> 01:35:09,040
out there to us

2584
01:35:13,910 --> 01:35:11,520
and uh and it's just like when we have a

2585
01:35:15,910 --> 01:35:13,920
witness we don't want to put the person

2586
01:35:17,830 --> 01:35:15,920
in in jeopardy or just put them out

2587
01:35:19,750 --> 01:35:17,840
there and and just face the brunt of a

2588
01:35:22,709 --> 01:35:19,760
whole lot of questions i mean this is

2589
01:35:25,109 --> 01:35:22,719
this is spoon fed baby steps

2590
01:35:27,109 --> 01:35:25,119
uh yeah so that's what that's the way i

2591
01:35:30,709 --> 01:35:27,119
feel at this point what do you guys

2592
01:35:31,990 --> 01:35:30,719
think i agree and and going back to kind

2593
01:35:34,790 --> 01:35:32,000
of like what we were talking about

2594
01:35:37,910 --> 01:35:34,800
before uh with that great question that

2595
01:35:40,310 --> 01:35:37,920
was asked by the gentleman um

2596
01:35:41,430 --> 01:35:40,320
that had asked that sir brian bowden

2597
01:35:43,590 --> 01:35:41,440
um

2598
01:35:45,669 --> 01:35:43,600
i honestly think it's you know this is

2599
01:35:47,750 --> 01:35:45,679
just step one

2600
01:35:50,310 --> 01:35:47,760
you know this isn't a sprint this is a

2601
01:35:52,870 --> 01:35:50,320
marathon um

2602
01:35:55,189 --> 01:35:52,880
how do we not know that what this is not

2603
01:35:56,470 --> 01:35:55,199
just the beginning of the first domino

2604
01:35:58,550 --> 01:35:56,480
falling

2605
01:36:00,550 --> 01:35:58,560
you know the end result might not we

2606
01:36:01,990 --> 01:36:00,560
might not even be around for when the

2607
01:36:05,430 --> 01:36:02,000
result happens

2608
01:36:08,229 --> 01:36:05,440
um this is just you know

2609
01:36:09,270 --> 01:36:08,239
we're just a cog in one huge wheel

2610
01:36:10,550 --> 01:36:09,280
um

2611
01:36:12,470 --> 01:36:10,560
that's something that's gonna take

2612
01:36:15,430 --> 01:36:12,480
forever you know to

2613
01:36:18,149 --> 01:36:15,440
to get done maybe they it moves at a you

2614
01:36:20,709 --> 01:36:18,159
know tectonic pace um

2615
01:36:24,790 --> 01:36:20,719
it's the long haul um

2616
01:36:28,310 --> 01:36:24,800
as far as with jen i mean she is a great

2617
01:36:30,229 --> 01:36:28,320
asset to our team but and she you know

2618
01:36:31,109 --> 01:36:30,239
this is something that we want to ease

2619
01:36:33,830 --> 01:36:31,119
into

2620
01:36:36,470 --> 01:36:33,840
the last thing you want to do is

2621
01:36:39,430 --> 01:36:36,480
get yourself you know

2622
01:36:41,590 --> 01:36:39,440
go in with both feet first you know evan

2623
01:36:44,229 --> 01:36:41,600
you know not be able to find the bottom

2624
01:36:46,149 --> 01:36:44,239
you know figure to be speaking but

2625
01:36:47,830 --> 01:36:46,159
um

2626
01:36:51,830 --> 01:36:47,840
it's something that i think it's gonna

2627
01:36:53,430 --> 01:36:51,840
take time it's gonna be built upon um

2628
01:36:56,629 --> 01:36:53,440
just like with anything you know with

2629
01:36:58,470 --> 01:36:56,639
science uh pseudoscience science it has

2630
01:37:00,470 --> 01:36:58,480
to start off first you know you start

2631
01:37:02,470 --> 01:37:00,480
off the theory even you know you go from

2632
01:37:04,470 --> 01:37:02,480
there uh you build up

2633
01:37:06,790 --> 01:37:04,480
this is i believe just

2634
01:37:09,109 --> 01:37:06,800
a baby step um

2635
01:37:11,270 --> 01:37:09,119
that's going to be built upon and it's

2636
01:37:12,070 --> 01:37:11,280
going to get refined and you know as we

2637
01:37:14,950 --> 01:37:12,080
learn

2638
01:37:17,030 --> 01:37:14,960
you know more we are going to uh you

2639
01:37:18,790 --> 01:37:17,040
know build upon that knowledge and then

2640
01:37:21,189 --> 01:37:18,800
those that come behind us will build

2641
01:37:23,350 --> 01:37:21,199
upon that knowledge and hopefully

2642
01:37:25,830 --> 01:37:23,360
help us you know you know be able to

2643
01:37:27,189 --> 01:37:25,840
understand maybe in the long term

2644
01:37:28,070 --> 01:37:27,199
right

2645
01:37:30,950 --> 01:37:28,080
well

2646
01:37:34,310 --> 01:37:30,960
you gotta add to that tobias

2647
01:37:36,550 --> 01:37:34,320
um you know i i think manuel uh summed

2648
01:37:38,229 --> 01:37:36,560
that up pretty pretty well you know i

2649
01:37:39,430 --> 01:37:38,239
mean i we can sit here and speculate

2650
01:37:41,109 --> 01:37:39,440
about the priorities of

2651
01:37:42,629 --> 01:37:41,119
ultra-terrestrials

2652
01:37:44,070 --> 01:37:42,639
i mean for the rest of the night and

2653
01:37:46,950 --> 01:37:44,080
we're not going to be any closer to

2654
01:37:49,750 --> 01:37:46,960
actually understanding them

2655
01:37:51,750 --> 01:37:49,760
you know i i think the idea of that

2656
01:37:55,030 --> 01:37:51,760
somehow they would

2657
01:37:56,870 --> 01:37:55,040
value the same things that

2658
01:37:58,149 --> 01:37:56,880
rsvp values

2659
01:38:00,390 --> 01:37:58,159
yeah

2660
01:38:03,189 --> 01:38:00,400
i mean it's it's for lack of a better

2661
01:38:05,830 --> 01:38:03,199
word it's a little narrow-minded i think

2662
01:38:08,629 --> 01:38:05,840
um because

2663
01:38:11,910 --> 01:38:08,639
with as alien as these things likely are

2664
01:38:13,510 --> 01:38:11,920
to to our way of being in our way of of

2665
01:38:16,070 --> 01:38:13,520
understanding i mean they probably have

2666
01:38:18,870 --> 01:38:16,080
a whole set of priorities that

2667
01:38:21,750 --> 01:38:18,880
that frankly we're in no position to to

2668
01:38:23,990 --> 01:38:21,760
understand at this point i mean um it

2669
01:38:27,510 --> 01:38:24,000
would take a real

2670
01:38:30,790 --> 01:38:27,520
uh uh shift i think in in uh our

2671
01:38:34,070 --> 01:38:30,800
perspective for us to to even be begin

2672
01:38:35,830 --> 01:38:34,080
to to understand these these things what

2673
01:38:40,070 --> 01:38:35,840
whatever they are frankly

2674
01:38:41,910 --> 01:38:40,080
and so i'm trying to ascribe motivations

2675
01:38:44,550 --> 01:38:41,920
and and uh

2676
01:38:46,550 --> 01:38:44,560
and understand why they're doing things

2677
01:38:48,310 --> 01:38:46,560
a certain way well

2678
01:38:50,629 --> 01:38:48,320
i mean

2679
01:38:52,070 --> 01:38:50,639
it's it's it's a fool's errand frankly

2680
01:38:54,629 --> 01:38:52,080
and uh

2681
01:38:55,510 --> 01:38:54,639
and sort of the best we can do

2682
01:39:00,229 --> 01:38:55,520
is

2683
01:39:03,669 --> 01:39:00,239
been happening

2684
01:39:06,070 --> 01:39:03,679
and uh and and understand it best we can

2685
01:39:07,910 --> 01:39:06,080
with the understanding that

2686
01:39:09,669 --> 01:39:07,920
it's an uphill battle and and we're

2687
01:39:12,629 --> 01:39:09,679
going to have to be

2688
01:39:14,550 --> 01:39:12,639
fighting for every little bit of of

2689
01:39:17,030 --> 01:39:14,560
understanding that we get

2690
01:39:18,950 --> 01:39:17,040
along the way um

2691
01:39:21,189 --> 01:39:18,960
and so like manuel said it's it's gonna

2692
01:39:23,510 --> 01:39:21,199
be slow and and who knows what what the

2693
01:39:24,870 --> 01:39:23,520
actual endgame is well for us it might

2694
01:39:27,189 --> 01:39:24,880
be understanding

2695
01:39:29,590 --> 01:39:27,199
or you know any potential ultra

2696
01:39:31,430 --> 01:39:29,600
terrestrials or other beings out there

2697
01:39:34,550 --> 01:39:31,440
uh who knows what what what their actual

2698
01:39:37,350 --> 01:39:34,560
endgame is um you know you can uh you

2699
01:39:39,830 --> 01:39:37,360
can trust them if you like

2700
01:39:41,189 --> 01:39:39,840
i would understand not frankly because

2701
01:39:42,709 --> 01:39:41,199
again who knows what the actual

2702
01:39:44,870 --> 01:39:42,719
motivation might be

2703
01:39:47,189 --> 01:39:44,880
um and so there are so many layers to

2704
01:39:49,669 --> 01:39:47,199
this you know in in terms of

2705
01:39:53,350 --> 01:39:49,679
uh what to trust who to trust

2706
01:39:55,510 --> 01:39:53,360
uh you know what any of it means that um

2707
01:39:58,390 --> 01:39:55,520
again you know uh we can we can only

2708
01:40:02,149 --> 01:39:58,400
speculate at this point

2709
01:40:04,229 --> 01:40:02,159
uh i i i saw an interesting two word

2710
01:40:06,629 --> 01:40:04,239
ques i guess it was a question but

2711
01:40:08,550 --> 01:40:06,639
i had to chuckle at it uh

2712
01:40:10,149 --> 01:40:08,560
foia o'hara

2713
01:40:11,669 --> 01:40:10,159
boy are those

2714
01:40:13,910 --> 01:40:11,679
are those two words that don't go

2715
01:40:17,990 --> 01:40:13,920
together

2716
01:40:22,310 --> 01:40:18,000
i keep i keep submitting foia requests

2717
01:40:26,950 --> 01:40:23,990
yeah

2718
01:40:30,390 --> 01:40:26,960
sending for your requested faa is kind

2719
01:40:31,910 --> 01:40:30,400
of like really pulling teeth out i mean

2720
01:40:34,390 --> 01:40:31,920
because you got you can't go right to

2721
01:40:37,669 --> 01:40:34,400
the airport you got to go through faa

2722
01:40:40,550 --> 01:40:37,679
great lakes i think it is

2723
01:40:42,950 --> 01:40:40,560
i this last time i actually went to uh

2724
01:40:45,030 --> 01:40:42,960
tsa and i i did

2725
01:40:48,229 --> 01:40:45,040
a request with them directly now i've

2726
01:40:50,070 --> 01:40:48,239
had you know some like success with uh

2727
01:40:52,629 --> 01:40:50,080
submitting foia requests to the faa

2728
01:40:55,030 --> 01:40:52,639
before but i mean that and really

2729
01:40:57,430 --> 01:40:55,040
success in that instance was just

2730
01:41:00,950 --> 01:40:57,440
getting a response and the most recent

2731
01:41:03,830 --> 01:41:00,960
one i had with the the faa was they said

2732
01:41:06,310 --> 01:41:03,840
that this was for a ufo sighting out in

2733
01:41:09,189 --> 01:41:06,320
new mexico and they said that

2734
01:41:11,830 --> 01:41:09,199
um they weren't allowed to or that they

2735
01:41:13,990 --> 01:41:11,840
wouldn't comment on anything like the

2736
01:41:16,229 --> 01:41:14,000
fbi was investigating or something so i

2737
01:41:18,070 --> 01:41:16,239
was like well i mean tell me there was a

2738
01:41:21,350 --> 01:41:18,080
ufo without actually telling me there

2739
01:41:24,070 --> 01:41:21,360
was a ufo i guess yeah that's just weird

2740
01:41:26,790 --> 01:41:24,080
um but yeah i mean i submitted a foia

2741
01:41:27,669 --> 01:41:26,800
request to uh to tsa directly about the

2742
01:41:29,669 --> 01:41:27,679
july

2743
01:41:31,189 --> 01:41:29,679
22nd sightings and i mean i haven't

2744
01:41:33,669 --> 01:41:31,199
heard anything back yet but those things

2745
01:41:35,430 --> 01:41:33,679
can take months yeah yeah

2746
01:41:37,189 --> 01:41:35,440
when i did i don't know how many weeks

2747
01:41:39,590 --> 01:41:37,199
it was but it was long enough where i

2748
01:41:41,030 --> 01:41:39,600
had well moved on and forgotten i had

2749
01:41:42,629 --> 01:41:41,040
actually they could put it on the slow

2750
01:41:43,830 --> 01:41:42,639
track pretty you know and they put on

2751
01:41:45,990 --> 01:41:43,840
this look like you're not gonna hear a

2752
01:41:48,070 --> 01:41:46,000
thing i hope you forget about i think

2753
01:41:51,189 --> 01:41:48,080
now there was a question here i thought

2754
01:41:53,189 --> 01:41:51,199
was interesting um

2755
01:41:55,350 --> 01:41:53,199
uh

2756
01:41:57,750 --> 01:41:55,360
nancy malcolm asked

2757
01:42:01,270 --> 01:41:57,760
will david at court participate in any

2758
01:42:02,310 --> 01:42:01,280
future meeting with uru

2759
01:42:04,629 --> 01:42:02,320
well

2760
01:42:06,390 --> 01:42:04,639
i guess that's up to them because they

2761
01:42:07,669 --> 01:42:06,400
didn't request david to be a part of

2762
01:42:09,189 --> 01:42:07,679
this

2763
01:42:10,470 --> 01:42:09,199
now i'm not saying that isn't going to

2764
01:42:13,189 --> 01:42:10,480
happen

2765
01:42:14,950 --> 01:42:13,199
i i do know and you know no disrespect

2766
01:42:16,790 --> 01:42:14,960
to david because david and i have worked

2767
01:42:18,870 --> 01:42:16,800
together for a long time they did not

2768
01:42:20,070 --> 01:42:18,880
request anything with him plus the

2769
01:42:22,310 --> 01:42:20,080
faction

2770
01:42:24,709 --> 01:42:22,320
that david has been encountering is a

2771
01:42:27,030 --> 01:42:24,719
different faction

2772
01:42:29,470 --> 01:42:27,040
from what i understand i mean you know

2773
01:42:31,430 --> 01:42:29,480
these aren't the same beings they may be

2774
01:42:34,470 --> 01:42:31,440
ultra-terrestrials but they're they're

2775
01:42:36,470 --> 01:42:34,480
of a different faction um

2776
01:42:38,149 --> 01:42:36,480
they're a bit more aggressive

2777
01:42:39,669 --> 01:42:38,159
by some of the things that have been

2778
01:42:42,709 --> 01:42:39,679
shown to me

2779
01:42:43,990 --> 01:42:42,719
by david and you know david actually has

2780
01:42:46,790 --> 01:42:44,000
a

2781
01:42:48,390 --> 01:42:46,800
film crew down there now

2782
01:42:49,350 --> 01:42:48,400
and have been down there for a month or

2783
01:42:51,750 --> 01:42:49,360
more

2784
01:42:53,830 --> 01:42:51,760
working on trying to document what's

2785
01:42:56,310 --> 01:42:53,840
been going on at his place especially

2786
01:42:58,629 --> 01:42:56,320
since the last year or so but but that

2787
01:43:00,070 --> 01:42:58,639
evolves as well i mean you know that

2788
01:43:01,590 --> 01:43:00,080
that's never a

2789
01:43:02,709 --> 01:43:01,600
set thing with him

2790
01:43:04,790 --> 01:43:02,719
uh

2791
01:43:06,550 --> 01:43:04,800
they seem to change up on the entities

2792
01:43:07,270 --> 01:43:06,560
that are coming in and out of there but

2793
01:43:09,030 --> 01:43:07,280
um

2794
01:43:11,030 --> 01:43:09,040
now i i don't see any connection with

2795
01:43:12,149 --> 01:43:11,040
david on this i mean david's part of our

2796
01:43:15,990 --> 01:43:12,159
group

2797
01:43:17,910 --> 01:43:16,000
uh i you know he is part of the 14 team

2798
01:43:20,070 --> 01:43:17,920
but at this point right now they have

2799
01:43:21,830 --> 01:43:20,080
not requested david to be a part of this

2800
01:43:23,830 --> 01:43:21,840
so uh

2801
01:43:26,390 --> 01:43:23,840
take it for water to work that's that's

2802
01:43:28,310 --> 01:43:26,400
all i can tell you

2803
01:43:41,109 --> 01:43:28,320
uh

2804
01:43:42,310 --> 01:43:41,119
are in contact are their auras visible

2805
01:43:50,550 --> 01:43:42,320
no

2806
01:43:53,750 --> 01:43:50,560
out there by i mean manuel

2807
01:43:56,070 --> 01:43:53,760
but i i had no sense and i can usually

2808
01:43:58,149 --> 01:43:56,080
see auras of entities

2809
01:44:00,790 --> 01:43:58,159
um

2810
01:44:02,870 --> 01:44:00,800
you know it wasn't an aura to say

2811
01:44:07,109 --> 01:44:02,880
something that could be visually seen it

2812
01:44:09,350 --> 01:44:07,119
was felt it was just energy so i cannot

2813
01:44:12,390 --> 01:44:09,360
say that you know i saw an aura

2814
01:44:14,229 --> 01:44:12,400
at best you saw shadows um

2815
01:44:15,510 --> 01:44:14,239
it wasn't uber was not going to make

2816
01:44:16,470 --> 01:44:15,520
himself known

2817
01:44:19,590 --> 01:44:16,480
and

2818
01:44:22,390 --> 01:44:19,600
even i was told that like going in

2819
01:44:23,510 --> 01:44:22,400
you know you're not gonna possibly get

2820
01:44:24,950 --> 01:44:23,520
uh

2821
01:44:26,709 --> 01:44:24,960
pictures it probably would never even

2822
01:44:29,189 --> 01:44:26,719
shown if i sat there with the camera in

2823
01:44:31,030 --> 01:44:29,199
my hands or well that's what we were

2824
01:44:34,950 --> 01:44:31,040
told yeah that's what we were told that

2825
01:44:36,870 --> 01:44:34,960
was a no-no at least for now so you know

2826
01:44:38,790 --> 01:44:36,880
that that's that's what that's that's

2827
01:44:39,830 --> 01:44:38,800
the answer we got i mean right now we

2828
01:44:43,669 --> 01:44:39,840
are

2829
01:44:45,510 --> 01:44:43,679
trust and um

2830
01:44:46,709 --> 01:44:45,520
like with any anything that you know

2831
01:44:48,629 --> 01:44:46,719
it's going to take a while they may

2832
01:44:49,990 --> 01:44:48,639
share themselves to us in a larger

2833
01:44:51,669 --> 01:44:50,000
extent but

2834
01:44:53,189 --> 01:44:51,679
i don't think now i mean they're more

2835
01:44:56,470 --> 01:44:53,199
intent on

2836
01:45:00,830 --> 01:44:59,189
show up show a shadow as opposed to

2837
01:45:04,149 --> 01:45:00,840
actually seeing something

2838
01:45:07,030 --> 01:45:04,159
so uh andrew bull any cave systems near

2839
01:45:09,430 --> 01:45:07,040
the airport not that i know i mean maybe

2840
01:45:13,830 --> 01:45:09,440
something man made in the airport itself

2841
01:45:17,910 --> 01:45:14,790
yeah

2842
01:45:19,189 --> 01:45:17,920
but as far as natural caves well first

2843
01:45:21,830 --> 01:45:19,199
of all i don't think they'd have built

2844
01:45:23,510 --> 01:45:21,840
the airport on top of caverns or caves

2845
01:45:25,109 --> 01:45:23,520
and stuff they probably filled it in if

2846
01:45:27,510 --> 01:45:25,119
anything was there

2847
01:45:28,790 --> 01:45:27,520
but uh i don't know you know

2848
01:45:30,470 --> 01:45:28,800
you you don't know what the whole

2849
01:45:31,990 --> 01:45:30,480
motivation is for that

2850
01:45:33,590 --> 01:45:32,000
it's kind of interesting when they build

2851
01:45:35,990 --> 01:45:33,600
airports where they pull them at i mean

2852
01:45:38,229 --> 01:45:36,000
i you know it does see most airports do

2853
01:45:40,470 --> 01:45:38,239
have issues

2854
01:45:42,070 --> 01:45:40,480
paranormal issues or some type of

2855
01:45:43,750 --> 01:45:42,080
unexplained issue

2856
01:45:45,669 --> 01:45:43,760
of course everybody knows about denver

2857
01:45:48,149 --> 01:45:45,679
and all the craziness that's going on

2858
01:45:49,990 --> 01:45:48,159
and been out there for years but you

2859
01:45:51,750 --> 01:45:50,000
know here has also had some strange

2860
01:45:52,550 --> 01:45:51,760
things happen over the years as well i

2861
01:45:56,149 --> 01:45:52,560
mean

2862
01:45:58,870 --> 01:45:56,159
you know let alone ufos and now

2863
01:46:01,109 --> 01:45:58,880
flying beings but yeah who knows and i

2864
01:46:03,270 --> 01:46:01,119
don't know if any um

2865
01:46:06,550 --> 01:46:03,280
rock formations had each with an index

2866
01:46:08,470 --> 01:46:06,560
like 100 200 miles of chicago that would

2867
01:46:09,430 --> 01:46:08,480
support cave systems

2868
01:46:11,430 --> 01:46:09,440
um

2869
01:46:13,510 --> 01:46:11,440
yeah well it would have to be

2870
01:46:15,590 --> 01:46:13,520
limestone especially

2871
01:46:16,550 --> 01:46:15,600
or some type of soft rock that could be

2872
01:46:19,669 --> 01:46:16,560
you know

2873
01:46:23,830 --> 01:46:22,229
weathered somehow but um

2874
01:46:26,390 --> 01:46:23,840
i don't i don't even know if the bedrock

2875
01:46:28,229 --> 01:46:26,400
system or what the bedrock formations

2876
01:46:30,550 --> 01:46:28,239
are in that area

2877
01:46:32,310 --> 01:46:30,560
most of it is like um

2878
01:46:34,390 --> 01:46:32,320
i mean i know a lot of it has to do with

2879
01:46:36,629 --> 01:46:34,400
the uh the glacial because that's how

2880
01:46:38,950 --> 01:46:36,639
the lakes performed they were the result

2881
01:46:40,950 --> 01:46:38,960
of being ripped apart by glaciers

2882
01:46:42,629 --> 01:46:40,960
but the closest

2883
01:46:44,229 --> 01:46:42,639
case systems i know of are like in

2884
01:46:46,709 --> 01:46:44,239
northern wisconsin

2885
01:46:48,870 --> 01:46:46,719
um and i know that there's some like in

2886
01:46:49,669 --> 01:46:48,880
kentucky tennessee

2887
01:46:51,510 --> 01:46:49,679
uh

2888
01:46:53,590 --> 01:46:51,520
those areas but as far as

2889
01:46:55,750 --> 01:46:53,600
cave systems in the area

2890
01:46:58,790 --> 01:46:55,760
i do not believe that there are any like

2891
01:47:02,950 --> 01:46:58,800
in chicago there are tunnels everywhere

2892
01:47:04,709 --> 01:47:02,960
uh o'hare uh chicago the area load alone

2893
01:47:07,590 --> 01:47:04,719
in chicago this is crisscrossed by

2894
01:47:09,669 --> 01:47:07,600
tunnels on top of tunnels

2895
01:47:11,189 --> 01:47:09,679
that are designed for everything doors

2896
01:47:13,669 --> 01:47:11,199
on the loop

2897
01:47:16,709 --> 01:47:13,679
of chicago has an actual rail system

2898
01:47:18,390 --> 01:47:16,719
underneath it uh that was in use right

2899
01:47:21,030 --> 01:47:18,400
up to about the 50s

2900
01:47:23,990 --> 01:47:21,040
that was used for the uh shops that were

2901
01:47:25,910 --> 01:47:24,000
in the area kind of like a small scale

2902
01:47:28,149 --> 01:47:25,920
tunnel uh or

2903
01:47:29,189 --> 01:47:28,159
rail system that was used and that was

2904
01:47:31,590 --> 01:47:29,199
uh

2905
01:47:33,830 --> 01:47:31,600
that was actually flooded out in the 80s

2906
01:47:35,510 --> 01:47:33,840
due to an accident um

2907
01:47:37,750 --> 01:47:35,520
and it's still as far as i know remains

2908
01:47:40,709 --> 01:47:37,760
still flooded but there are headways

2909
01:47:42,470 --> 01:47:40,719
entire headways underneath chicago

2910
01:47:44,550 --> 01:47:42,480
downtown chicago that are complete with

2911
01:47:45,510 --> 01:47:44,560
shops and restaurants

2912
01:47:47,510 --> 01:47:45,520
um

2913
01:47:48,950 --> 01:47:47,520
i used to work for a company that for me

2914
01:47:51,270 --> 01:47:48,960
to get to the train station i had to

2915
01:47:52,870 --> 01:47:51,280
take the pedway and their shops on both

2916
01:47:56,070 --> 01:47:52,880
sides uh

2917
01:47:57,830 --> 01:47:56,080
and this is all underground um o'hare is

2918
01:48:00,070 --> 01:47:57,840
littered um

2919
01:48:01,910 --> 01:48:00,080
with tunnels you see them coming in and

2920
01:48:02,870 --> 01:48:01,920
out of tunnels if you sit there long

2921
01:48:06,229 --> 01:48:02,880
enough

2922
01:48:08,149 --> 01:48:06,239
um so that's how they get back and forth

2923
01:48:10,310 --> 01:48:08,159
from one from the place

2924
01:48:12,470 --> 01:48:10,320
so but as far as cages there's none that

2925
01:48:15,669 --> 01:48:12,480
i know of

2926
01:48:17,750 --> 01:48:15,679
uh we have a question here from um

2927
01:48:19,830 --> 01:48:17,760
see how we are living are the airport

2928
01:48:26,229 --> 01:48:19,840
authorities hiding their knowledge

2929
01:48:28,709 --> 01:48:27,270
that's where we get back to the

2930
01:48:30,870 --> 01:48:28,719
four-year request that that you know

2931
01:48:31,910 --> 01:48:30,880
you're not going to get anything i mean

2932
01:48:33,510 --> 01:48:31,920
and of course they're going to have

2933
01:48:35,510 --> 01:48:33,520
cameras out there

2934
01:48:36,790 --> 01:48:35,520
oh yeah but like everybody else you're

2935
01:48:38,470 --> 01:48:36,800
not going to see anything they're not

2936
01:48:39,750 --> 01:48:38,480
going to show you anything and if they

2937
01:48:40,610 --> 01:48:39,760
do know anything they're not going to

2938
01:48:42,149 --> 01:48:40,620
tell you about it

2939
01:48:43,750 --> 01:48:42,159
[Music]

2940
01:48:46,629 --> 01:48:43,760
i mean they wouldn't be acting the way

2941
01:48:47,910 --> 01:48:46,639
they are now if there was uh if there

2942
01:48:50,470 --> 01:48:47,920
was any

2943
01:48:52,709 --> 01:48:50,480
hint of a cooperation

2944
01:48:53,590 --> 01:48:52,719
that just isn't happening

2945
01:48:55,030 --> 01:48:53,600
um

2946
01:48:57,109 --> 01:48:55,040
you know i i don't know really what

2947
01:48:58,790 --> 01:48:57,119
they're afraid of but then again you

2948
01:49:00,950 --> 01:48:58,800
know maybe they do know something we

2949
01:49:03,030 --> 01:49:00,960
don't know i don't know

2950
01:49:04,709 --> 01:49:03,040
yeah and there are cameras out there i

2951
01:49:07,109 --> 01:49:04,719
know for a fact i mean

2952
01:49:10,070 --> 01:49:07,119
just in that just remember o'hare has

2953
01:49:12,149 --> 01:49:10,080
like seven different cargo hubs in and

2954
01:49:14,070 --> 01:49:12,159
around the area the one where all the

2955
01:49:15,830 --> 01:49:14,080
sightings are happening it's just one of

2956
01:49:18,070 --> 01:49:15,840
maybe seven

2957
01:49:21,030 --> 01:49:18,080
they're scattered throughout the airport

2958
01:49:23,350 --> 01:49:21,040
um tobias took one sighting that was on

2959
01:49:25,990 --> 01:49:23,360
the northern part of the airport at one

2960
01:49:27,030 --> 01:49:26,000
of the at one of the cargo areas that's

2961
01:49:28,470 --> 01:49:27,040
actually the

2962
01:49:30,390 --> 01:49:28,480
near the um

2963
01:49:32,310 --> 01:49:30,400
chicago um

2964
01:49:33,669 --> 01:49:32,320
airport authority offices where that one

2965
01:49:34,709 --> 01:49:33,679
sighting happened

2966
01:49:37,030 --> 01:49:34,719
um

2967
01:49:39,430 --> 01:49:37,040
so yeah there's multiple hub areas and

2968
01:49:40,629 --> 01:49:39,440
these these things are moving billions

2969
01:49:43,430 --> 01:49:40,639
of dollars

2970
01:49:45,990 --> 01:49:43,440
of merchandise every day so yeah they're

2971
01:49:48,310 --> 01:49:46,000
from the time you're on the campus or on

2972
01:49:49,109 --> 01:49:48,320
airport grant you are on tv the whole

2973
01:49:51,589 --> 01:49:49,119
time

2974
01:49:53,669 --> 01:49:51,599
there if there's anything happening it's

2975
01:49:56,550 --> 01:49:53,679
gotta be on tv on one of these cameras

2976
01:49:59,030 --> 01:49:56,560
but yeah they're not gonna disclose this

2977
01:50:00,870 --> 01:49:59,040
out um

2978
01:50:02,629 --> 01:50:00,880
you can bet they're seeing something i

2979
01:50:05,030 --> 01:50:02,639
mean you know maybe that's what's

2980
01:50:07,589 --> 01:50:05,040
scaring them well look at the sighting

2981
01:50:08,709 --> 01:50:07,599
that happened over o'hare with the ufo

2982
01:50:11,589 --> 01:50:08,719
report

2983
01:50:13,189 --> 01:50:11,599
and that turned into a joke that wasn't

2984
01:50:14,229 --> 01:50:13,199
even uh

2985
01:50:16,550 --> 01:50:14,239
you know

2986
01:50:18,709 --> 01:50:16,560
you're telling me a a crap the size of

2987
01:50:21,430 --> 01:50:18,719
the terminal was hovering over the

2988
01:50:22,709 --> 01:50:21,440
entire airport seen by

2989
01:50:25,830 --> 01:50:22,719
everybody

2990
01:50:27,830 --> 01:50:25,840
um evident zoomed up and punched a hole

2991
01:50:29,589 --> 01:50:27,840
in the cloud and it becomes a running

2992
01:50:31,830 --> 01:50:29,599
joke i remember just watching the

2993
01:50:37,109 --> 01:50:31,840
reports on tv and they prefaced the

2994
01:50:40,310 --> 01:50:38,709
that was the kind of thing to do back in

2995
01:50:42,470 --> 01:50:40,320
the early 20s and

2996
01:50:44,790 --> 01:50:42,480
1990s you know get that theme from

2997
01:50:46,709 --> 01:50:44,800
x-files and just throw it on everything

2998
01:50:52,709 --> 01:50:46,719
yep you know

2999
01:50:56,390 --> 01:50:54,390
shadow people or

3000
01:50:57,910 --> 01:50:56,400
they're non-terrestrials as well but i

3001
01:50:59,910 --> 01:50:57,920
don't think there's any connection i

3002
01:51:01,669 --> 01:50:59,920
haven't i haven't heard anybody talk

3003
01:51:04,310 --> 01:51:01,679
about any shadows

3004
01:51:06,390 --> 01:51:04,320
or anything like that out there um i

3005
01:51:08,629 --> 01:51:06,400
mean it could be indirectly but i don't

3006
01:51:10,709 --> 01:51:08,639
know what do you think the boss

3007
01:51:12,310 --> 01:51:10,719
well you know it's it's interesting that

3008
01:51:16,390 --> 01:51:12,320
they mentioned that because i have

3009
01:51:19,589 --> 01:51:16,400
received reports of uh shadow people

3010
01:51:21,510 --> 01:51:19,599
in the same areas like with within the

3011
01:51:24,229 --> 01:51:21,520
the sighting areas of the larger

3012
01:51:25,510 --> 01:51:24,239
investigation not necessarily o'hare but

3013
01:51:26,629 --> 01:51:25,520
you know other places around lake

3014
01:51:29,430 --> 01:51:26,639
michigan

3015
01:51:31,910 --> 01:51:29,440
where people have reported this stuff um

3016
01:51:35,270 --> 01:51:31,920
you know i i spoke to uh to one lady

3017
01:51:37,910 --> 01:51:35,280
down in chicago who had who was followed

3018
01:51:40,470 --> 01:51:37,920
by some weird uh shadow person you know

3019
01:51:42,950 --> 01:51:40,480
while she was out one night uh another

3020
01:51:45,830 --> 01:51:42,960
guy in in uh indiana who said that that

3021
01:51:47,430 --> 01:51:45,840
he had seen this uh this morphing shadow

3022
01:51:50,229 --> 01:51:47,440
person that seemed

3023
01:51:51,669 --> 01:51:50,239
to like turn into a in an animal or vice

3024
01:51:52,870 --> 01:51:51,679
versa um

3025
01:51:55,830 --> 01:51:52,880
and so

3026
01:51:58,310 --> 01:51:55,840
much like ufo activity um reports of

3027
01:52:01,430 --> 01:51:58,320
other humanoids including you know uh

3028
01:52:04,149 --> 01:52:01,440
hairy humanoids like bigfoot or you know

3029
01:52:07,109 --> 01:52:04,159
mantis people or dog men or whatever you

3030
01:52:09,669 --> 01:52:07,119
do get reports of stuff like that in the

3031
01:52:11,750 --> 01:52:09,679
same sighting areas you know whether or

3032
01:52:14,070 --> 01:52:11,760
not that's related to the the winged

3033
01:52:15,669 --> 01:52:14,080
humanoid sightings i mean that's that's

3034
01:52:17,430 --> 01:52:15,679
up to

3035
01:52:19,589 --> 01:52:17,440
interpretation but

3036
01:52:23,510 --> 01:52:19,599
you know there's there's a geographic

3037
01:52:28,070 --> 01:52:25,430
um

3038
01:52:31,510 --> 01:52:28,080
vincent is asking any dreams tobias

3039
01:52:33,030 --> 01:52:31,520
manuel lawn i know he has he's mentioned

3040
01:52:34,070 --> 01:52:33,040
dreams to me

3041
01:52:36,149 --> 01:52:34,080
um

3042
01:52:38,550 --> 01:52:36,159
have you guys had any dreams i mean i

3043
01:52:40,870 --> 01:52:38,560
know manuel you believe you did after

3044
01:52:43,270 --> 01:52:40,880
after they had the encounter oh yeah

3045
01:52:46,070 --> 01:52:43,280
multiple times um

3046
01:52:47,750 --> 01:52:46,080
i've seen uh i've had dreams i've had

3047
01:52:50,310 --> 01:52:47,760
the one where i told you guys about

3048
01:52:53,589 --> 01:52:50,320
waking up seeing uh or in my dreams

3049
01:52:56,229 --> 01:52:53,599
seeing these shadows that were like

3050
01:52:58,709 --> 01:52:56,239
they were vaguely humanoid but they were

3051
01:53:00,229 --> 01:52:58,719
shifting they just had no form

3052
01:53:02,070 --> 01:53:00,239
and there were like three or four of

3053
01:53:04,149 --> 01:53:02,080
them in front of me and

3054
01:53:06,470 --> 01:53:04,159
but something was keeping them from

3055
01:53:08,310 --> 01:53:06,480
approaching me you know i

3056
01:53:10,390 --> 01:53:08,320
that's why i said you know that's the

3057
01:53:13,189 --> 01:53:10,400
time i felt that you know

3058
01:53:14,790 --> 01:53:13,199
maybe uber was around but

3059
01:53:15,750 --> 01:53:14,800
um

3060
01:53:19,030 --> 01:53:15,760
you know

3061
01:53:21,270 --> 01:53:19,040
i've had some very vivid dreams uh

3062
01:53:23,109 --> 01:53:21,280
and experiences since since this has

3063
01:53:26,070 --> 01:53:23,119
happened and and they've gotten a little

3064
01:53:27,109 --> 01:53:26,080
more intense but i know vincent has also

3065
01:53:29,189 --> 01:53:27,119
had some

3066
01:53:30,950 --> 01:53:29,199
pretty intense streams he talked about

3067
01:53:33,510 --> 01:53:30,960
him yeah um

3068
01:53:35,750 --> 01:53:33,520
and i think that it's all

3069
01:53:37,990 --> 01:53:35,760
part and parcel maybe with the you know

3070
01:53:41,350 --> 01:53:38,000
as you're expanding and awakening and

3071
01:53:43,510 --> 01:53:41,360
you're you're starting to explore you're

3072
01:53:46,070 --> 01:53:43,520
either sending off like a dinner bell to

3073
01:53:47,669 --> 01:53:46,080
something to to attract attention and we

3074
01:53:49,109 --> 01:53:47,679
were told you know you probably would

3075
01:53:49,910 --> 01:53:49,119
attract attention

3076
01:53:51,830 --> 01:53:49,920
but

3077
01:53:53,430 --> 01:53:51,840
it's also maybe seeing things that maybe

3078
01:53:54,950 --> 01:53:53,440
have been there the whole time and you

3079
01:53:59,910 --> 01:53:54,960
just weren't

3080
01:54:03,510 --> 01:54:00,870
well

3081
01:54:05,669 --> 01:54:03,520
guys i am going to wrap this up you know

3082
01:54:07,189 --> 01:54:05,679
we're going to do a follow-up no doubt

3083
01:54:09,669 --> 01:54:07,199
on this uh

3084
01:54:12,390 --> 01:54:09,679
tobias is earth is there another book in

3085
01:54:14,390 --> 01:54:12,400
it for us from this what do you think

3086
01:54:16,149 --> 01:54:14,400
i there seems to be an in an endless

3087
01:54:17,910 --> 01:54:16,159
stream you know if

3088
01:54:21,430 --> 01:54:17,920
if that's what people are interested

3089
01:54:23,589 --> 01:54:21,440
well you know it it is what it is i i i

3090
01:54:24,709 --> 01:54:23,599
remember mentioning this in uh in my

3091
01:54:27,589 --> 01:54:24,719
first book

3092
01:54:29,510 --> 01:54:27,599
the lake michigan mothman um

3093
01:54:32,390 --> 01:54:29,520
again like if if you're approaching this

3094
01:54:33,430 --> 01:54:32,400
stuff honestly um as much as people want

3095
01:54:35,270 --> 01:54:33,440
to have

3096
01:54:37,350 --> 01:54:35,280
these tidy narratives you know with the

3097
01:54:39,430 --> 01:54:37,360
beginning middle and end that's the

3098
01:54:40,229 --> 01:54:39,440
story that's the whole story here's the

3099
01:54:42,470 --> 01:54:40,239
book

3100
01:54:44,390 --> 01:54:42,480
let's just move on that's not how this

3101
01:54:47,430 --> 01:54:44,400
stuff works um

3102
01:54:50,550 --> 01:54:47,440
it it probably won't ever end frankly uh

3103
01:54:53,109 --> 01:54:50,560
much like manuel said uh when we're all

3104
01:54:54,629 --> 01:54:53,119
gone off of this earth people are

3105
01:54:56,550 --> 01:54:54,639
probably still gonna be seeing this

3106
01:55:00,149 --> 01:54:56,560
stuff reporting this stuff

3107
01:55:01,750 --> 01:55:00,159
um and so it it it never ends um and so

3108
01:55:02,709 --> 01:55:01,760
yeah there are uh

3109
01:55:04,390 --> 01:55:02,719
uh

3110
01:55:06,550 --> 01:55:04,400
there's endless source material

3111
01:55:09,109 --> 01:55:06,560
for anything you you you want to do with

3112
01:55:12,229 --> 01:55:09,119
it well you're right and uh with all

3113
01:55:14,790 --> 01:55:12,239
this new stuff coming now

3114
01:55:16,790 --> 01:55:14,800
you know if somebody asked me a couple

3115
01:55:18,629 --> 01:55:16,800
months ago are you planning on doing a

3116
01:55:21,270 --> 01:55:18,639
third book about

3117
01:55:22,470 --> 01:55:21,280
about o'hara and or about you know

3118
01:55:24,070 --> 01:55:22,480
chicago

3119
01:55:26,229 --> 01:55:24,080
i said

3120
01:55:29,030 --> 01:55:26,239
doubt it very much doubt it that's why

3121
01:55:31,109 --> 01:55:29,040
i'm doing this humanoid book now

3122
01:55:33,830 --> 01:55:31,119
but boy i'm telling you i mean the

3123
01:55:37,350 --> 01:55:33,840
fashion furiousness of this i may very

3124
01:55:39,109 --> 01:55:37,360
well have to reconsider that so um

3125
01:55:40,709 --> 01:55:39,119
maybe i have two books coming up soon

3126
01:55:41,750 --> 01:55:40,719
but who knows

3127
01:55:42,950 --> 01:55:41,760
we'll see

3128
01:55:45,109 --> 01:55:42,960
i don't know

3129
01:55:46,550 --> 01:55:45,119
but look guys i really appreciate you

3130
01:55:48,870 --> 01:55:46,560
coming on the night

3131
01:55:51,189 --> 01:55:48,880
i uh you know i know we're going to get

3132
01:55:53,189 --> 01:55:51,199
together on this again because this is

3133
01:55:55,030 --> 01:55:53,199
ongoing and uh

3134
01:55:57,510 --> 01:55:55,040
if you don't mind i'd really appreciate

3135
01:56:00,870 --> 01:55:57,520
you guys considering coming back on very

3136
01:56:04,070 --> 01:56:00,880
soon if need be and to talk about this

3137
01:56:06,870 --> 01:56:04,080
yeah anytime of course yeah

3138
01:56:09,030 --> 01:56:06,880
okay well thanks again and uh i know you

3139
01:56:14,310 --> 01:56:09,040
and i will be talking soon so you take

3140
01:56:17,669 --> 01:56:15,990
if you have an unexplained encounter or

3141
01:56:19,350 --> 01:56:17,679
something feel free to contact me

3142
01:56:20,390 --> 01:56:19,360
through the phantoms of monsters blog

3143
01:56:23,030 --> 01:56:20,400
site

3144
01:56:25,750 --> 01:56:23,040
i want to again thank manuel and tobias

3145
01:56:27,589 --> 01:56:25,760
for joining me this evening and um and

3146
01:56:29,350 --> 01:56:27,599
thanks each and all of you who for

3147
01:56:30,629 --> 01:56:29,360
watching and chatting i know this is an

3148
01:56:33,910 --> 01:56:30,639
extended

3149
01:56:35,750 --> 01:56:33,920
uh show might have got a little slow but

3150
01:56:37,589 --> 01:56:35,760
i hope you enjoyed it and if you made a

3151
01:56:38,950 --> 01:56:37,599
super chat donation it's truly

3152
01:56:41,189 --> 01:56:38,960
appreciated

3153
01:56:43,990 --> 01:56:41,199
uh your support is what makes this

3154
01:56:46,390 --> 01:56:44,000
possible so please like subscribe and

3155
01:56:48,629 --> 01:56:46,400
share now next week

3156
01:56:51,109 --> 01:56:48,639
our friend butch witkowski is going to

3157
01:56:53,030 --> 01:56:51,119
join me and we're going to be discussing

3158
01:56:55,589 --> 01:56:53,040
the overall

3159
01:56:59,109 --> 01:56:55,599
situation with the the pennsylvania

3160
01:57:00,950 --> 01:56:59,119
upright canines and dogmen so um

3161
01:57:02,709 --> 01:57:00,960
that should be interesting we had james

3162
01:57:04,229 --> 01:57:02,719
west on last week got a lot of good

3163
01:57:06,629 --> 01:57:04,239
response

3164
01:57:08,790 --> 01:57:06,639
and uh now butch and i are gonna go and

3165
01:57:10,390 --> 01:57:08,800
do an overview and and some of the

3166
01:57:12,629 --> 01:57:10,400
things that we see

3167
01:57:15,430 --> 01:57:12,639
that are are being reported and may

3168
01:57:16,550 --> 01:57:15,440
possibly be part of this phenomena in

3169
01:57:19,270 --> 01:57:16,560
the future

3170
01:57:30,310 --> 01:57:19,280
so until next week to stay healthy

3171
01:57:30,320 --> 01:57:42,940
[Music]

3172
01:57:42,950 --> 01:57:56,870
[Applause]

3173
01:57:56,880 --> 01:58:08,020
so